Scully: Fenlon should quit U-23's

[OneRedArmy]

i dont see any harm in it - it is what it is. why are people knocking it

Not knocking it, but don't think its worth getting too worked up about things like conflicts of interest etc. Its not like there will be enough games to get a high quality full time international manager.

Scully is just needling.

[bellavistaman]

is the engish team was managed by fergie, do you think chelsea fans would have problems with fergie and john terry gettin buddy buddy. I do admit i have to agree wit scully

[Duggie]

scully is a whinger anyway. hate listening to him.

[fergalr]

"I've no problem with Pat Fenlon or Alan Matthews, but I do feel there is a potential for a conflict of interest here," Scully told the Irish Daily Mail. "Here you have two full-time managers, who have the biggest budgets of any club managers in the league and you are giving them access to the best young players in the league, many of them part-timers.

Scully is dead right and he has said it in a pretty straightforward way (but perhaps not strightforward enough for some).

Referring to oneself in the plural is a pretty sure sign of impending insanity, not that it's surprising in this case (except perhaps in that it was deferred for so long.)

Delusion is if you think that Scully is the only one who cannot spot the potential conflict of interest here.

If I were Scully id take more interest in his own clubs personal fortunes at present.

Ehr ... he is making the statement cos he does has his club at heart - he is justifiably concerned that his players are going to get tapped up (again).

Scully is just upset that he wasnt given the job

Evidence for this please?

this is bull from scully, whats to stop anyone from going along watching the game and trying to sign one of these players down the line.

Bull yourself. Working with the players is entirely different to just sitting in the stands for 90 mins.

I hear that Scully was phoning the Rovers guys who had been picked for the Northern Ireland game and telling them if they travelled up and played then they would be training with the reserves for the forseeable future.

Heard from where? If you supply no evidence for this then can I assume you heard this from some drunk at a bar or else from some internal voice? Lets see then if Stephen Rice is playing this weekend against Harps.

[Duggie]

Scully is dead right and he has said it in a pretty straightforward way (but perhaps not strightforward enough for some).


Delusion is if you think that Scully is the only one who cannot spot the potential conflict of interest here.


Ehr ... he is making the statement cos he does has his club at heart - he is justifiably concerned that his players are going to get tapped up (again).


Evidence for this please?


Bull yourself. Working with the players is entirely different to just sitting in the stands for 90 mins.


Heard from where? If you supply no evidence for this then can I assume you heard this from some drunk at a bar or else from some internal voice? Lets see then if Stephen Rice is playing this weekend against Harps.

jeez pat hows things, whats the craic ??

[passinginterest]

Heard from where? If you supply no evidence for this then can I assume you heard this from some drunk at a bar or else from some internal voice? Lets see then if Stephen Rice is playing this weekend against Harps.

That's all over the Rovers Ultra's message board. I'd be very surprised if they were dropped, having said that Scully has been known to pull some fairly crazy stunts when it comes to player discipline. Rice is the least likely to be dropped as he was 100% fit, rumor (again Rovers Ultra's board) has it the other two were advised to pull out by Rovers team doctor, but passed fit by FAI doctor, much to the annoyance of Scully.

[Block G Raptor]

I agree there is the potential for a conflict of interest but who the hell does Scummy think he is going to the media with his grievance and practically demanding that Fenlon and Matthews lose their jobs. what gives Scummy the right to do this

[Calcio Jack]

I agree there is the potential for a conflict of interest but who the hell does Scummy think he is going to the media with his grievance and practically demanding that Fenlon and Matthews lose their jobs. what gives Scummy the right to do this

The same right that allows you to refer to him as 'Scummy' ( could you not do better than that ..very poor effrort that IMO) it's called freedom of speech.

Say what you like about Scully but at least he came out straight and in clear language made gave his views.

[fergalr]

That's all over the Rovers Ultra's message board. I'd be very surprised if they were dropped, having said that Scully has been known to pull some fairly crazy stunts when it comes to player discipline. Rice is the least likely to be dropped as he was 100% fit, rumor (again Rovers Ultra's board) has it the other two were advised to pull out by Rovers team doctor, but passed fit by FAI doctor, much to the annoyance of Scully.

There is a discussion about the fact that the Rovers's doctor advice about fitness was overruled by the U23s doctor. This is entirely different to what was alleged on here.

[dcfcsteve]

I heard Roddy Collins talking about that game last night on radio. Thought it was a waste of time. Couldn't understand why Trappatoni would be bothered to go and see it because if the players were any good, they'd be playing in England and that Jeffreys only colours are "blue and orange".

Amazing stuff

Ahh, dear old Roddy...

If only the good people of Livinsgton had had the good sense to take him off our hands....

[charliesboots]

Heard from where? If you supply no evidence for this then can I assume you heard this from some drunk at a bar or else from some internal voice? Lets see then if Stephen Rice is playing this weekend against Harps.

You want evidence but you're willing to make assumptions - strange that.

What evidence do you want? Do you want somebody to post screenshots of the text messages the players got from Scully or do you want them to swear affidavits saying its not a rumour?

I've spoken to somebody who was in the squad and they confirmed to me that Scully text the three Rovers players and ordered them to turn up for the A game on Wednesday. That's good enough for me.

[A face]

Scully is right here, open and shut case. The is a conflict of interest and to suggest there isn't is madness. You are giving two managers free access to the best U23 players in the country with no permisssion needed.

Who appointed Fenlon? That is who is to blame? When was this actually announced initially? Well before the first game i'd imagine anyway.

[Réiteoir]

Heard from where? If you supply no evidence for this then can I assume you heard this from some drunk at a bar or else from some internal voice? Lets see then if Stephen Rice is playing this weekend against Harps.

You go and have a word with Barry Murphy and Ger O'Brien's cousin then fella - because this is apparently where the info is coming from

[5ForKeeps]

In fairness Scully is probably one of the best managers in the League, with limited budgets at both Kilkenny and now at Shamrock Rovers has done wonders. He has recognised that there is a conflict of interest here been honest but at the end of the day it is the FAI and nothing suprises me with their organisational skills. Why not give it too Rico or someoe with the credentials and isn't currently involved with any senior club in the Eircom League.

[Réiteoir]

I didn't hear Steve Bruce or Sam Allardyce whinging when Stuart Pearce and Peter Taylor were managing the England U-21s whilst managing club sides...

Bluster for bluster's sake in Scully's case - looks like he can't face not being the centre of attention 24/7

[A face]

Bluster for bluster's sake in Scully's case - looks like he can't face not being the centre of attention 24/7

You cant dismiss the point he has to make like that Réiteoir, if anything fair play to the guy for highlighting it. There is definitely a conflict of interest and that should be reason enough not to appoint the guy.

[Sheridan]

A Face - I presume you are aware that in many countries (including bigger footballing nations than Ireland) the national team coach combines his job with a club position? A position in which there's an obvious conflict of interest because players may feel that moving to the manager's club enhances their international prospects.

The eircom League is a tiny world, if Fenlon or Matthews want to tap anyone up they can just go ahead and do it. Absolute balls from Scully, and embarrassing to see anyone defend it.

[A face]

A Face - I presume you are aware that in many countries (including bigger footballing nations than Ireland) the national team coach combines his job with a club position? A position in which there's an obvious conflict of interest because players may feel that moving to the manager's club enhances their international prospects.

The eircom League is a tiny world, if Fenlon or Matthews want to tap anyone up they can just go ahead and do it. Absolute balls from Scully, and embarrassing to see anyone defend it.

Yeah, i take all that on board, and you're not wrong ..... BUT i'd still liked to see Rico or someone else get the job. No reason why they couldn't have give it to him either. Just because it happens elsewhere doesn't mean there isn't a conflict of interest there too. It would have just been easier to avoid this situation all together.

[fergalr]

I hear that Scully was phoning the Rovers guys who had been picked for the Northern Ireland game and telling them if they travelled up and played then they would be training with the reserves for the forseeable future.

I've spoken to somebody who was in the squad and they confirmed to me that Scully text the three Rovers players and ordered them to turn up for the A game on Wednesday. That's good enough for me.

Which is it then? Your both can't be right but you both may be wrong.

[fergalr]

A Face - I presume you are aware that in many countries (including bigger footballing nations than Ireland) the national team coach combines his job with a club position? A position in which there's an obvious conflict of interest because players may feel that moving to the manager's club enhances their international prospects.

So something that is wrong is ok for us as long as its done elsewhere!?

The eircom League is a tiny world, if Fenlon or Matthews want to tap anyone up they can just go ahead and do it.

Of course they can (and do).

The principle still holds - its a clear conflict of interest.

embarrassing

Again its interesting to contrast the quote with the avatar.