Drogheda keeper out of gaa team

[gspain]

Probably more than 66% of gaa members are non sectarian but the organisation itself is and the people who run it. However the majority allow the minority to run the show. Know any non sectarian people that allow a bigot to run riot and do what he pleases in a GAA county?????


Plenty of sectarian rules

Rule 42
The Ban
Ban on openiong up Croke Park to "foreign" games i.e. British gamess.
Motion at 79 congress supporting IRA prisoners and "the struggle".

I'm still waiting for an answer as to what criteria you have judged Linfield and the IFA to be sectarian.

[MariborKev]

Refusing to open up Healy Park for a friendly Omagh V Manchester United after the Omagh bombing

[patsh]

Originally posted by gspain
Probably more than 66% of gaa members are non sectarian but the organisation itself is and the people who run it. However the majority allow the minority to run the show.

Jes*s H Christ !
More than two thirds of an organisation is non-secatarian, but the organisation is still sectarian.
Not a shred of proof for this, of course, just another statement.

Originally posted by gspain
Know any non sectarian people that allow a bigot to run riot and do what he pleases in a GAA county?????

What are you on about?
You are simply trotting out your personal predujices.
Name these "bigots".
You certainly are displaying a level of bigotry towards the GAA.

Plenty of sectarian rules

Rule 42
The Ban
Ban on openiong up Croke Park to "foreign" games i.e. British gamess.
Motion at 79 congress supporting IRA prisoners and "the struggle".

The Ban is long gone, or have you not read any of the preceding posts.
Not allowing soccer to be played in Corke Park is almost indefensible, yet will be defended, not on the grounds of sectarianism, but the simple fact that so many members put such hard work into building so many decent grounds around the country, while the FAI can't build even one.
Why should the GAA do the FAI's job?

As for the motion of 24 years ago, I cannot defend that, but then you or I do not live in the six counties and cannot say with any certainty how people living there then felt.

I'm still waiting for an answer as to what criteria you have judged Linfield and the IFA to be sectarian.

Can you actually read?
I did not judge Linfield or the IFA to be sectarian, I said they had such a problem in the past.
So, What question?

You, like a lot of posters, are simply trotting out some old cliches, personal predujice and plain ignorance of facts and claiming that that constitutes a factual situation.
Those things do not amount to a shred of evidence.

I repeat that the GAA is not a perfect organisation, and has it's faults, but this tired old line doled out endlessly by those who do not really make any effort to verify their statements is getting wearing.
Make some attempt to come to a debate with an open mind, not simply just stick to your uninformed perceptions.
This is not a personal attack on anyone here, but I really think quite a few of you cannot even make the effort to see the GAA in any light other than the fixed position you have already adopted.

[tiktok]

yawn. why don't you try reading my posts before you jump on them. the only time I said the GAA was sectarian was when i said that not distancing themselves from the Tyrone teams support of Sinn Fein showed them in that light. What i have been saying is that a large percentage of the GAA is sectarian. I consider one third a large percentage, maybe you don't.

Originally posted by patsh
The, probable, cause of not showing the Army players is security reasons. If members of a defence force request anonymity, your deduction is that the GAA is sectarian. Thats a very strange thought process.

again, READ my posts, i distinctly said that this did NOT make the GAA sectarian. I said it showed there were sectarian considerations. Obviously you believe members of the defence forces requiring anonimity because they're playing a sport and fear for their safety isn't a sectarian consideration. a very strange thought process.

Originally posted by patsh
You display a complete lack of understanding of both the GAA and the Catholic Church.

i was making a point that an organisation and it's members can express different opinions. i obviously made it successfully because you seem to agree that not all members of the GAA were in Favour of Rule 21 even though their organisation was.

Originally posted by patsh
When did the GAA adopt a sectarian motion?

i don't know when rule 21 was adopted but it seemed sectarian to me. if you don't believe that it was....

Originally posted by patsh
By your own reckoning, TWO THIRDS, 66%, a sizeable majority of members, are not sectarian.

absolutely, i never denied that in any of my posts. i admit openly in previous posts that the GAA are making strides towards eliminating sectarianism. they themelves seem to understand more than you that it is an issue that has to be dealt with.

Originally posted by patsh
So now your argument is that some of the GAA is sectarian.

that always was my argument, you're the one getting mixed up. i think a third of the members voting to maintain a sectarian rule is an issue, you clearly think it's not.

Originally posted by patsh
You, like a lot of posters, are simply trotting out some old cliches, personal predujice and plain ignorance of facts and claiming that that constitutes a factual situation.
Those things do not amount to a shred of evidence.

That Rule 21 existed and was sectarian in nature is a FACT
That the motion to support IRS prisoners existed and was sectarian in nature is a FACT
That 'Foreign' sports have been played on Croke Park, but English sports were refused permission on request of the government is a FACT

Originally posted by patsh
This is not a personal attack on anyone here, but I really think ..... you cannot even make the effort to see the GAA in any light other than the fixed position you have already adopted.

right back at you

[SodacakeFC]

It is all well and good to moan about the GAA all large organisations have some faults, but as a sports fan and an Irishman I have nothing but pride for the GAA.
We would not have a country without the deication of the men and women of the GAA.
I would not be too worried about the ''majority community'' in the north they are hardly losing sleep because they cannot play hurling.
In my experience of playing gaelic games in school and in Limerick and England I have never seen or heard of sectarianism the teams were picked on merit and if we had a protestant hindu or jew if he was good enough he got his shirt.

The ban on British soldiers and the RUC is something that has to be seen in context. The members GAA in the north have suffered at the hands of the security forces even having members murdered in time these wounds will heal but there are no quick fixes.
The GAA is unique in the world of sporting organisations.

[A face]

Can this be moved to "Off Topic" as it is a GAA thread .... After all it is the "eL General" forum.

[patsh]

tiktok: Well now that you have abondoned all attempts at any sensible debate, there is not much point in any more posts.
Your "point" from the start was that the GAA is a sectarian organisation. Your very first words in the thread were "It does" (make the GAA sectarian).
"The GAA is sectarian"
"Some of the GAA is sectarian"
These are two COMPLETELY different statements, but even though you cannot even see this, You have CHANGED your postition to SOME of the GAA is sectarian
You have since waffled on about one rule, people expressing their support for a political candidate and the Catholic Church.
This is simply expressing your opinion over and over again, not backing up your statement.
I readily acknowledge the faults and failings of the GAA, but I do not have the usual knee-jerk reaction of so many like you, who are only to willing to condemn at the drop of a cliche, yet can see none of the benefits, good work and plus points of the GAA.
So, enjoy the confines of your narrow little view, but get out and about some time, take in a hurling game, you might enjoy it and get a better perspective on life.

[tiktok]

I did start by saying the GAA was sectarian, i just reread my post and you're right, fair enough. My intention (believe or not, i don't care) was to describe the act as sectarian (not distancing themselves from the Tyrone team's actions), not to label the GAA, but it came out wrong.

The remainder of what i've written is clearly concern over what i consider a sizeable proportion of the GAA harbouring sectarian sentiments. That was where my interest lay.

I openly admitted the GAA had done a lot of good, but that wasn't the topic under question, if you want to start a new thread on the good the GAA has done, i'll happily add positive examples. You seem to think that i'm rabidly anti-GAA, not the case at all, but i'm willing to accept problems they have.

you berate those who offered a different viewpoint as only expressing an opinion without facts to back it, yet that's all you've done in return, i have offered facts for my position summed in my last post.

the belief that you were engaged in a 'sensible debate' free of 'knee jerk reactions' doesn't sit well with your opening description of George Hook as a "F*cking ignorant gobdaw" who knows nothing about "any real sport". So next time you feel like condescending to me and my 'narrow little opinion' have a look at your own first.

[patsh]

Originally posted by tiktok
the belief that you were engaged in a 'sensible debate' free of 'knee jerk reactions' doesn't sit well with your opening description of George Hook as a "F*cking ignorant gobdaw" who knows nothing about "any real sport". So next time you feel like condescending to me and my 'narrow little opinion' have a look at your own first.

Hmm, my opinion on Hook is just that, an opinion. I can neither prove or disprove that. It is not a knee jerk reaction to him, it is my opinion of him.

As for offering "facts", it is you and other posters who made the claims about the GAA, I challenged you or anyone else to prove those claims, which cannot be done.

As for me being condescending to you, if you describe a contribution from someone as "Oprah-babble", you must expect everything you get in return.

[tiktok]

Originally posted by patsh
As for offering "facts", it is you and other posters who made the claims about the GAA, I challenged you or anyone else to prove those claims, which cannot be done.

Originally posted by tiktok
That Rule 21 existed and was sectarian in nature is a FACT
That the motion to support IRA prisoners existed and was sectarian in nature is a FACT
That 'Foreign' sports have been played on Croke Park, but English sports were refused permission on request of the government is a FACT

these aren't opinions, they are not claims to be proven, they are facts. you conveniently dismissed them as opinion without addressing them. anyway, i'm sick of this, it's only a step above name calling at this stage so this is my last post on it.

[patsh]

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Originally posted by tiktok
That Rule 21 existed and was sectarian in nature is a FACT
That the motion to support IRA prisoners existed and was sectarian in nature is a FACT
That 'Foreign' sports have been played on Croke Park, but English sports were refused permission on request of the government is a FACT
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these aren't opinions, they are not claims to be proven, they are facts. you conveniently dismissed them as opinion without addressing them.
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I have agreed that rule 21 was sectarian, but it no longer exists.
Support for republican prisoners is NOT sectarian, it is a political stance.
I also agreed that not allowing soccer is almost indefensible, but again this is NOT a sectarian act.
So, with the exception of the rule 21 point, in your opinion, the other points are sectarian.
Thus these are not facts.

So lets leave it at that.