Bohs fan fails to get 'hooligan associates' ban lifted

[jebus]

Seriously, how are you not catching on to what we're saying? We're saying that Hooligans are in no way the main reason why families don't attend LoI, they may be 5% of the reason, but they in no way warrant clubs having crisis talks about them. Might I add that the LoI is relatively hooligan free while we're at it, and also that fathers seem to have no issue with bringing their kids to Glasgow, Manchester, Liverpool, London, or places that actual have quite a lot of hooligan history. You're blowing this completely out of proportion in a way that is reminiscent of George W.'s pre-war fear mongoring, it's really that bad A Face.

Plus we're talking about the 'human rights' of a Bohs supporter who has never participated in hooligan activity, not someone who is an active member of the BSC, so don't try and blur those lines and pretend we are advocating some form of Hooligan Relief program

[Da Real Rover]

Well done to Bohs for giving him the red card. And I'm fairly sure James Connolly and any other apostle of socialism who has been invoked in defence of this individual's rights are turning in their graves at the way their ideals have been twisted in the name of straight forward thuggery.

Class.
This thread is like a steady progression to the eventual realisation that this Bohs fan is a member of the BSC and had partaken in the odd act act of genocide, not to mention him scareing the kiddys away.
This man is innocent, dont forget that, so please dont drag James Connolly into it. He has committed as much thuggery as yourself.

And as for A faces comment on build decent regular loyal fanbase.
What would you define as decent?
I'd say the farest way of letting people into our grounds is to get their level of education, employment, where they live, criminal record, Assosciates of course, at the gate. When this is done the steward will compile his file and sanction entry into the ground. That way we can have a more decent type of fan. Try and keep the great unwashed out. Mein Fuhrer.

[A face]

We're saying that Hooligans are in no way the main reason why families don't attend LoI, they may be 5% of the reason, but they in no way warrant clubs having crisis talks about them.

I think its far more than 5%. And i'm saying its the image of the league clubs as being a fun family-orientated attraction in the local community of the club (and i'm not saying a totally clean clinical game. I'm saying so anyone and everyone can come along) so a wide section of the public will attend.

Class.
This thread is like a steady progression to the eventual realisation that this Bohs fan is a member of the BSC and had partaken in the odd act act of genocide, not to mention him scareing the kiddys away.

Genocide, calm down there fella. I agree with scaring the kiddys away

And as for A faces comment on build decent regular loyal fanbase. What would you define as decent?

For an eircom League club .... 20,000

I'd say the farest way of letting people into our grounds is to get their level of education, employment, where they live, criminal record, Assosciates of course, at the gate. When this is done the steward will compile his file and sanction entry into the ground. That way we can have a more decent type of fan. Try and keep the great unwashed out. Mein Fuhrer.

What in gods name are you trying to say? Can you rephrase that?

[jebus]

There is no way any parent would bring kids to a game if they thought there was even the slightest chance something could happen.

Just to go back over a few of your points on this page alone. Why are there kids at Celtic v Rangers, Spurs v Arsenal, Chelsea v West Ham, Hibs v Hearts, Liverpool v Man Utd, Wednesday v Sheff Utd, and many, many more games across the sea so? For that matter why do any of us leave our house during the day, what with the threat of physical violence in society today?

The Linfield fan a few weeks ago at the Pats game. 3000+ at the game and nothing happened except for that incident, which was completely blown out of proportion. Are you seriously suggesting that people wouldn't think twice about attending a game, even based solely on that incident?

Yes, people have got bigger worries in life and aren't as easily scared off as you seem to be

I think its far more than 5%

I think you're wrong, but as there is no way of either of us proving what percentage of the human psyche lives in fear of hooligans we may as well move on

If people know there is a hooligan presence (they dont even have to be doing anything, its simply potential for something to happen) in any ground on a regular basis they will not attend games. Its a bit lame to say 'they wouldn't come anyway', 'they are only interested in Sky Sports', 'they are just not interested in going to LOI games' .... that fact is that most clubs would cut of their right arms to double the average attendance for a few years.

They can cut their arms off all they want, still won't change the fact that the majority of football supporters in this country don't come to LoI games because they think the standard is rubbish and they'd rather watch Man Utd

There is a bigger picture to all of this. The league needs to move on, attract more crowds and build decent regular loyal fanbase. Hoolies dont and will never out number the potential for that to happeN.

FREEDOM!!

For an eircom League club .... 20,000

Yes but by the stage eL clubs have a hardcore of 20,000 loyal supporters we'll all either be living on mars playing powerball (a hybrid of football and foxy boxing), be robots, or be living under the sea living in fear of hooligan dolphins coming around to slap the seaweed taste out of our children's mouths during waterball games

[BohsPartisan]

Incorrect most of the BSC are early to mid thirties

and AFAIK largely inactive on the hoolie front. Most of the Bohs hooligan incidents in the last couple of years have been courtesy of the BSS.

[A face]

Nonsensical rubbish

Ok, you have a point. You win, how wrong i was.

[BohsPartisan]

Ok, you have a point. You win, how wrong i was.

Very...

[Da Real Rover]

If they appear scummy, they people avoid them on a day to day basis, they have probably failed to get jobs because they cant hide the fact they are skangers.

For some reason I must have misinterpreted your previous post?

[Macy]

I cant believe that people dont think families/general public would decide not to go to a game if they thought there were hooligans/unsavoury types at games already?

So ban the hooligans, not their mates and steward and police the games properly.

[Block G Raptor]

So ban the hooligans, not their mates and steward and police the games properly.

Sense at last!!
I regularly bring my step kids and nephew to Dalymount and am looking forward to bringing my son as soon as he's 3 or 4. the only game I won't bring them to is Rovers "Just in Case" and even at that there is seldom trouble. The only real Hoolie activity I've witnessed in recent years was when Rovers were renting Dalier and a group of about 7 or 8 kids attacked the no10 bus that I and several other bohs fans were on returning from Belfield after drawing 0-0 with UCD about 3 years ago. and the infamous time that rovers got in the exit gate beside the Jodi and that was all over in seconds

[MyTown]

[QUOTE=Da Real Rover;941404]
Class.This man is innocent, dont forget that, so please dont drag James Connolly into it. [QUOTE]

Wasn't it yourself who brought JC into it originally?

Ah yes DRR, I keep forgetting you're posting from the last bastion of true socialism in Europe where the road leading into town from Galway is called the Ray McSharry road and where the locals get to choose between Declan Bree, Sean McManus and Jimmy Devins. Out of that lot, I'd definitely be giving the innocent Bohs supporter my No. 1 if he was on the ticket.

[QUOTE=Da Real Rover;941404]He has committed as much thuggery as yourself.[QUOTE]

That's what I love about you guys - you're so on top of the facts all the time.

[Macy]

That's what I love about you guys - you're so on top of the facts all the time.

If you have proof this guy did something wrong, perhaps you should provide it to Bohs and then he can be banned for that, not who he "associates" with.

[Schumi]

I think its far more than 5%. And i'm saying its the image of the league clubs as being a fun family-orientated attraction in the local community of the club (and i'm not saying a totally clean clinical game. I'm saying so anyone and everyone can come along) so a wide section of the public will attend.

Arguing over percentages is nonsensical. All I can say is that anyone I've mentioned going to football matches to has not gone because they can't be arsed, have 'better things to do' on Fridays, think the standard is rubbish, think the grounds are rubbish, would rather watch football on TV, .... Never has potential violence been mentioned, ever.

[pól-dcfc]

There is some total ****** being talked on this thread.

Hoolaganism may contriubute to people not wanting to go to games. It is not the only reason by any stretch, or even a major root cause. Otherwise the Brandy would be filled every week because we don't have a problem.

Greenforever, and Aface, you have completely twisted what other people are saying on several occassions. Everyone accepts that hooliganism can cause a problem.

I cant believe that people dont think families/general public would decide not to go to a game if they thought there were hooligans/unsavoury types at games already?

No one has said anything remotely like that. But the scale of the problem is not such that a significant number of people would be turned away, surely?

Bohs can ban your man if they want, but he has his right to an appeal, which he is getting. The pub analogy is a good one here. If you're wearing the wrong shoes then Bohs or any other club which owns their stadium should have the right to tell you to **** off. I can do it at my house, the bouncers can do it at the bars, Bohs can do it at Dalymount. It's what private property is all about. You hold the the power to refuse others admittance/enjoyment of your property.

There is no real discussion here.

[pól-dcfc]

Arguing over percentages is nonsensical. All I can say is that anyone I've mentioned going to football matches to has not gone because they can't be arsed, have 'better things to do' on Fridays, think the standard is rubbish, think the grounds are rubbish, would rather watch football on TV, .... Never has potential violence been mentioned, ever.

Exactly. People just support their English teams or Scots teams. I've never encountered a single person who has told me that his reason for not going to a LoI match was hooliganism or violence.

[celticV3]

It's a simple as this, imagine turning up at the gate about to pay your entry into the ground when you are told that you are not allowed in because you know someone or because of the group of friends you have? if this man is guilty of anything the proof will be there and we can all stand fully behind bohs decision, but there should not be any guilt be association and for a man who's been supporting his club for longer than most of the posters here have been supporting theirs, it is sad to see him being treated so badly by the club he loves

[pól-dcfc]

It's a simple as this, imagine turning up at the gate about to pay your entry into the ground when you are told that you are not allowed in because you know someone or because of the group of friends you have? if this man is guilty of anything the proof will be there and we can all stand fully behind bohs decision, but there should not be any guilt be association and for a man who's been supporting his club for longer than most of the posters here have been supporting theirs, it is sad to see him being treated so badly by the club he loves

It doesn't matter. In Irish law he has no 'right' to expect to be admitted to private property.

[geysir]

I assume that Bohs have acted properly and with due care and attention to their "laws", that after an investigation, they found this person deserved the sanction.

Unless I hear other evidence, I assume that Bohs have acted appropriately.
Bohs are answerable to the club members. If the club members have any questions about this case then they can take it up with the Board.

[Block G Raptor]

It turns out the guy in question is a former bar man in Dalymount and judging by the comments on thebohs.com is an upstanding supporter who's never caused trouble

This is incredibly worrying as I've heard of a few other dubious bannings (not least young Conor, a lad who's a few cans short of a sixpack and about as dangerous as a rubber knife) whilst at least 2 of the Derry 4 have been seen at games recently

[passerrby]

I cant believe the tripe on this thread why cant we all assume (in light of the fact that we dont know anything about this case )that bohs took this dicision for good reasons and not just because a guy happened to be on the same flight as a bunch of idiots.let this man have his day in court and let jebus get on with cutting of his brains p.s dont make a balls of it.