Hilary on the way out?

[dahamsta]

I haven't read any detailed coverage, but the headlines slipping by in my feed reader are nearly all negative, saying Hilary's campaign is a sinking ship and she's on the cusp of pulling out. Is that an accurate assessment do you think? Last week it was going the other way, with the Obama pastor garbage, so I'm a bit surprised tbh. Did he turn that around or did Clinton shoot herself in the foot?

adam

[Block G Raptor]

A copy of my post in the Obama Pastor Thread.
Looks like it might be all over for Her

from the NY Times : As adamant as Mrs. Clinton appeared on Wednesday, several advisers said that how long she would stay in the race was an open question. Some top Clinton fund-raisers said that the campaign was all but over and suggested that she was simply buying time on Wednesday to determine if she could raise enough money and still win over superdelegates, the elected officials and party leaders who could essentially hand Mr. Obama the nomination.

[micls]

She's hugely in debt and can only win through superdelegates. It's certainly not looking good for her

[jebus]

She's finished and has been for the past two months, it was always just the media trying to sell a few more papers by pumping her up as someone who might overturn the odds

[mypost]

She will stay in the race until a nominee is declared, presumably in August. Obama can't win the big states, and has had several opportunities to see her off, and has failed to do it. It's still too close to call.

[dfx-]

Her determination to continue is increasingly funny in its desperation.

I think losing North Carolina so convincingly and only scraping Indiana has done her. All her gains and impetus from Pennsylvania and Ohio were obliterated by her defeat in North Carolina.

[jebus]

She will stay in the race until a nominee is declared, presumably in August. Obama can't win the big states, and has had several opportunities to see her off, and has failed to do it. It's still too close to call.

She.Is.Finished.

She's only staying in the race to try and lose Obama the election in November so she can come back in 4 years time against McCain (if he's not dead or senile by then). Do you really think the Democratic Party are stupid enough to overturn the public vote and give the nomination to Hilary?

[mypost]

Do you really think the Democratic Party are stupid enough?

It's American politics. Anything can and does happen. Hillary is apparantly ahead of Obama in head-to-head polls against McCain, afaik. That will be taken into account as well, when the candidate is declared.

Should McCain win this time, he will automatically contest the next election.

[osarusan]

She's only staying in the race to try and lose Obama the election in November so she can come back in 4 years time against McCain (if he's not dead or senile by then).

You don't really believe that do you?

She's still in the race because she has more superdelegates, she's won the states that need to be won in a presidential election, and she scores better than Obama in head to head polls.

I think she will lose the Democratic nomination pretty soon, some analysts think she may concede within a couple of days. But I actually think she has the better chance of beating McCain in a presidential election. She just won't get that chance.

[jebus]

You don't really believe that do you?

Yep I do. She thought it was agreed that she would be the Democratic nominee before the primaries started, and you could tell how startled she was by Obama's campaign at the beginning of January. She was arrogant enough to think that no one would stand in her way, and since then she has had various members of her team and her family attack Obama on his race and his past (he used drugs....wow), and had them spread lies to defame his character (he used to deal drugs, sure he's black and not rich, he must have). She has run a horrendously negative campaign since Obama blew her out of the water in the early primaries that has sought to undermine his creditability, rather than enhance her own.

Since practically every political observer with a shred of intelligence has had her living on borrowed time in this election for the past 3 months, and since she has refused to listen to repeated calls from the Democratic hierarchy to stand down so they can focus their energies on November, I can only assume that she is staying in this to deplete Obama's funds and attack his character so that he is easy pickings for the Republicans come the election season. She's too intelligent not to realise what harm she is doing, and since she realises that America will be very unlikely to vote in a female pensioner in 8 years time as it's President she must realise that the election in 4 years time is her only chance of realising her ambition to become the first female president

[pete]

She will stay until June. The DNC will then put pressure on one of the candidates to withdraw (almost certainly Clinton).

[mypost]

Since practically every political observer with a shred of intelligence has had her living on borrowed time in this election for the past 3 months

These are probably the same political observers who declared that Kerry won the election last time, while the vote was still going on. They've been writing Hillary off since she lost the first primary, and 4 months later, she's still in it. Obviously the democrat electorate know something the observers don't.

[osarusan]

Obama has overtaken Clinton regarding the number of superdelegates.

From the BBC

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has overtaken his rival Hillary Clinton for the first time in endorsements from super-delegates.

Four super-delegates - party and elected officials - pledged to support Mr Obama, including two who previously supported Mrs Clinton.

[dancinpants]

They've been writing Hillary off since she lost the first primary, and 4 months later, she's still in it. Obviously the democrat electorate know something the observers don't.

Your just a fountain of bullet points aren't ya?...its hilarious Surprised you haven't mentioned the "disenfranchisement" of Florida and Michigan yet.

One question though....why do you refer to the MINORITY of the popular vote as the "democrat electorate"? You give the impression that its the MAJORITY electorate.

The Clintons are wearing VERY thin on everyone over here now. This bullsh!t of coming out and saying "Obama can't win the white vote" is unbelievable TBH. Is she insinuating that the 31 states he's won so far are majority black? Obama could argue, but doesn't, that she can't win the under 35's and Blacks. And if CNN are to be believed Hillary carried Indiana on the back of the pensioner vote.

Everything she does just smacks of desparation, she's now loaned her own campaign a total $11.4 million dollars....I think that speaks volumes. She can't even manage her own campaign finances...how could she be trusted with managing the country's?

Seriously "mypost" you need to wake up and smell the coffee. She's behind in STATES, PLEDGED DELEGATES, SUPERDELEGATES, and the POPULAR VOTE. Do you think the DNC are going to strip all of that away from Obama and hand the nomination to Hillary? And before you spout yer "but the polls have her ahead of McCain" crap, the polls also had her 20-25 points ahead in Pennsylvania she won it by NINE. The polls had Obama ahead in New Hampshire - Clinton won it. So "mypost" don't be so naieve as to pay heed to polls....especially ones almost 6 months ahead of time - because 6 months ago Clinton was a shoe-in for the nomination, guess what? She's not gonna get it.

Personally both candidates are crap...but they are better than Grandpa McCain. Having said that, the more time I spend engrossed in this race the more apparent it becomes that Hillary is a VERY right wing leaning democrat....especially with regards to foreign policy, and the "gas tax holiday" idea she blatantly nicked off McCain. But despite being very obviously "right leaning" she pulls in LESS independents than Obama.

[dancinpants]

OK I take it back, "Billary" aren't behind in Superdelegates - they're ONE ahead after being ONE HUNDRED ahead in January:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/...rap/index.html

[pete]

Personally both candidates are crap...but they are better than Grandpa McCain. Having said that, the more time I spend engrossed in this race the more apparent it becomes that Hillary is a VERY right wing leaning democrat....especially with regards to foreign policy, and the "gas tax holiday" idea she blatantly nicked off McCain. But despite being very obviously "right leaning" she pulls in LESS independents than Obama.

The US can't be compared in European terms as there are no left wing US candidates. We might think the Democrats are left but they just a lighter shade of right. I agree what you say about Clinton but then she has been cleaning up the rural, blue collar Democrat votes. I don't know if socialists exist in the US certainly not at nation level.

[SkStu]

Your just a fountain of bullet points aren't ya?...its hilarious Surprised you haven't mentioned the "disenfranchisement" of Florida and Michigan yet.

One question though....why do you refer to the MINORITY of the popular vote as the "democrat electorate"? You give the impression that its the MAJORITY electorate.

The Clintons are wearing VERY thin on everyone over here now. This bullsh!t of coming out and saying "Obama can't win the white vote" is unbelievable TBH. Is she insinuating that the 31 states he's won so far are majority black? Obama could argue, but doesn't, that she can't win the under 35's and Blacks. And if CNN are to be believed Hillary carried Indiana on the back of the pensioner vote.

Everything she does just smacks of desparation, she's now loaned her own campaign a total $11.4 million dollars....I think that speaks volumes. She can't even manage her own campaign finances...how could she be trusted with managing the country's?

Seriously "mypost" you need to wake up and smell the coffee. She's behind in STATES, PLEDGED DELEGATES, SUPERDELEGATES, and the POPULAR VOTE. Do you think the DNC are going to strip all of that away from Obama and hand the nomination to Hillary? And before you spout yer "but the polls have her ahead of McCain" crap, the polls also had her 20-25 points ahead in Pennsylvania she won it by NINE. The polls had Obama ahead in New Hampshire - Clinton won it. So "mypost" don't be so naieve as to pay heed to polls....especially ones almost 6 months ahead of time - because 6 months ago Clinton was a shoe-in for the nomination, guess what? She's not gonna get it.

Personally both candidates are crap...but they are better than Grandpa McCain. Having said that, the more time I spend engrossed in this race the more apparent it becomes that Hillary is a VERY right wing leaning democrat....especially with regards to foreign policy, and the "gas tax holiday" idea she blatantly nicked off McCain. But despite being very obviously "right leaning" she pulls in LESS independents than Obama.

having overdosed on CNN over the last 6months i find it very hard to disagree with any of this post and the majority of Jebus' post.

Though i do think Obama could turn out to be a very good President.

[pete]

There was a very funny skit on this last week on the Daily Show. Hilary has Obama exactly where she wants him now - leading.

[Pauro 76]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0602/uselection.html

Confused here. Hilary won the Puerto Rico primary. Isn't Puerto Rico an independent country, rather than an additional state?

[dancinpants]

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0602/uselection.html

Confused here. Hilary won the Puerto Rico primary. Isn't Puerto Rico an independent country, rather than an additional state?

No its a territory much like Guam, American Samoa etc.

They get a primary but yet they don't get to vote in the actual elections