Doesnt say much for the eircom league

**BohDiddley** · 08/05/2008, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

Pity you didnt read Givens comments as to why EL players wern't considered..

No, I didn't. What were they?

**noby** · 08/05/2008, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by BohDiddley

No, I didn't. What were they?

Read post#9 on the thread.

**irishfan** · 08/05/2008, 10:36 AM

Havent seen to much of most that squad but Stephen Maher is a shocking player he didnt get near the Rovers first team and when he did play one game he was that terrible and was never seen again also Karl Moore off City anit up to much either.

**BohDiddley** · 08/05/2008, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by noby

Read post#9 on the thread.

Sorry. I take it back. Full information is a good thing.
Fair dues to Don Givens for saying that. We really don't have a complaint!

**Boh_So_Good** · 08/05/2008, 12:11 PM

The FAI and Irish soccer as a whole remains a British culturally entrenched entity, but in this case I think Givens selection is understandable and he gave valid reasons why.

**Redie** · 08/05/2008, 1:59 PM

I admit I know nothing about most of those players in that squad but I suspect one of the reasons they have been selected is that they have been involved in underage squads over the past number of years and the fact that Seamus Coleman has never been in an underage squad when he was younger is one of the reason he does not come into the thoughts of the likes of Givens when picking players. In some ways this is understandable but also very unfortunate for a player like Coleman - as well as for the Irish team - because I suspect that he is way ahead of a lot of those players selected. As Conor O'Grady said in a recent interview if Seamus was from Dublin he would have been playing in representative squads long ago.

**finnpark** · 08/05/2008, 5:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Man Himself

when we cant even get one player into the under 21 squad,

Don Givens should have been fcuked out of that job a long time ago.

Arse hole

**John83** · 08/05/2008, 5:11 PM

Originally Posted by finnpark

Don Givens should have been fcuked out of that job a long time ago.

Arse hole

It's great to see people reading the thread before replying. (Not that I generally disagree with any of the above)

**cheifo** · 08/05/2008, 5:18 PM

I recall young (mc?)Gill at Rovers playing a blinder in the cup semi final a couple of seasons ago.How is he progressing?

**The Man Himself** · 08/05/2008, 5:19 PM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

Pity you didnt read Givens comments as to why EL players wern't considered.

Also as Trap has taken 4 from the squad to the training camp in Portugal, this further wakens his base from which to pick.

This squad is about giving players experience and nothing else, just like they play 7 a side instead of a 11 a side in places like Holland for kids up to round U14s so as to develop skills and not to win at a level that really doesnt count.

I wonder what our Don has done to upset so many posters when he is actually just working in conjunction with the the senior manager of the day and EL managers etc.

thats a load of bullsballs
don givens covering up his lack of knowledge of the eircom league,
the mans a bloody waste of space.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 08/05/2008, 5:36 PM

Originally Posted by Ciaran

I wouldn't include any EL players over the current selection period, and that's not even getting to those who are just under 21.

EL players are regularly in the squad and some even in the starting line up. Darren Quigley, Conor Powell, Joe O'Carruill, Seamus Coleman, JP Kelly, Shane McFaul, Gary Dicker and Conor Sammon to name a few off the top of my head.

Originally Posted by drummerboy

Ronan Finn?

I'm surprised he's never made the U21 squad (Madeira squad is generally understrength so not counting that). Not complaining all that much though as he'd probably have left UCD by now given the exposure he would have gotten.

Originally Posted by Redie

As Conor O'Grady said in a recent interview if Seamus was from Dublin he would have been playing in representative squads long ago.

How do you explain all the non-Dubs in the current underage squads then?

**soccerc** · 08/05/2008, 5:42 PM

Originally Posted by Redie

I admit I know nothing about most of those players in that squad ..............................I suspect that he is way ahead of a lot of those players selected.

Sweet Jebus!

**pineapple stu** · 08/05/2008, 5:48 PM

Welcome to the internet, soccerc!

**A face** · 08/05/2008, 6:14 PM

Originally Posted by John83

It's great to see people reading the thread before replying. (Not that I generally disagree with any of the above)

I have read the thread and i couldn't have said it better myself

Don Givens should have been fcuked out of that job a long time ago.

Arse hole

I completely agree with this statement. And we all know in any other position he would have. The FAI has not evolved and are still hanging onto mediocrity as if for dear life as long as they employ him.

And the worse thing is, Givens will never have to answer for the crimes he is committing against the Irish football public. He will get away with it scott free

**Greenforever** · 08/05/2008, 9:12 PM

Originally Posted by The Man Himself

thats a load of bullsballs
don givens covering up his lack of knowledge of the eircom league,
the mans a bloody waste of space.

Did any EL manager contradict DG on this matter, are any complaining that they are not losing players and having to look for postponments?

Is it not true that 4 of the U21s are going to Portugal?

DG has forgotten more about the EL than you or I probably will ever know.

If the U21 squad was playing at teh end of the EL season it would be reasonable to expect some players to be drafted in but then this is the disadvantage of summer soccer.

**Greenforever** · 08/05/2008, 9:15 PM

Message deleted, hadn't read subsequent postings

**The Man Himself** · 09/05/2008, 8:53 AM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

Did any EL manager contradict DG on this matter, are any complaining that they are not losing players and having to look for postponments?

Is it not true that 4 of the U21s are going to Portugal?

DG has forgotten more about the EL than you or I probably will ever know.

If the U21 squad was playing at teh end of the EL season it would be reasonable to expect some players to be drafted in but then this is the disadvantage of summer soccer.

no club manager in world football wants their players called up for international duty, that dont mean that the givens should ignore the players,
im sure if players in the eircom league were giving the choice of playing under 21 for ireland or their club they would pick the green jersey every time,
don givens is only a tosser.

**niallsparky** · 09/05/2008, 3:21 PM

I for one am glad that Powell or Joxer aren't in that squad. While I like to see them playing for Ireland, Bohs comes first for me and if it means them missing games then keep them home.

I don't that this is some sneaky ploy by Givens and even though I am skeptical of his management skills, I think he is being honest in this situation.

**Greenforever** · 10/05/2008, 8:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Man Himself

no club manager in world football wants their players called up for international duty, that dont mean that the givens should ignore the players,
im sure if players in the eircom league were giving the choice of playing under 21 for ireland or their club they would pick the green jersey every time,
don givens is only a tosser.

to be perfectly honest your posts on this thread and other threads suggest that maybe it's you not don thats the one with something missing on top

you slag off a man who gave his life to football and then in another thread you wonder what can be done to save an EL club from going bust, well if the club had servants like the man you slagged off maybe they would not be in the trouble they are in,

if el players were included in this trip they would be looking for postponments which cost all clubs money, money they don't have

i'd recommend to you engage brain before posting

**A face** · 11/05/2008, 9:37 PM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

to be perfectly honest your posts on this thread and other threads suggest that maybe it's you not don thats the one with something missing on top

......

if el players were included in this trip they would be looking for postponments which cost all clubs money, money they don't have

i'd recommend to you engage brain before posting

To be fair, you are dragging another issue into that post. The Man Himself is right in what he said. No manager wants players to miss games or have a pile up of fixtures as a result but it is a cop out by Given to say that.

niallsparky's post outlines why its not in clubs interests for clubs to miss players but its a practising hazard, you cant avoid it, either in Winter Football or Summer Soccer, players will have to miss out games. They shouldn't be denied the right to play for their country because of this.

Originally Posted by Greenforever

you slag off a man who gave his life to football and then in another thread you wonder what can be done to save an EL club from going bust, well if the club had servants like the man you slagged off maybe they would not be in the trouble they are in

Originally Posted by The Man Himself

don givens is only a tosser.

I think the 'a man who gave his life to football' is a bit rich. The guy from what i can see is completely self serving, a quality that should automatically eliminate him from the position he is in imo. And aside from that, the guy is pathetic .... just look at his record. Evaluate his contribution to the Irish game. I dont think the glass is half empty, i think the guy has smashed the glass. We need a new glass ..... fast ..... Givens Out yesterday.