QuoteBad form from bob mcshug coming on here with the rovers crest under his name!!!!!
Yer definately not getting Flynny now
Hear hear .... gift of a player ... legend. He IS the guy you needOriginally posted by James
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lads lads lads ye've gotten it all wrong
o'flynn is a 1 season wonder, the guy bottles it under pressure misses peno's.
the real player ye want is Noel 'Hartigoal' Hartigan
this is very tall and strong and is a proven international...
plus he has alot more experience then oflynn and is still a very young player.
i think it would be a good move for both parties if ye concentrated on hartigoal.. a much better option
i know city fans would be sorry to see noel go but its probably in his best interests as a footballer, we cant stand in the way of progress
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Bad form from bob mcshug coming on here with the rovers crest under his name!!!!!
Yer definately not getting Flynny now
He'll get exposure alright but it will be from the elements in the artic climate of Scotland and not the type of media exposure he needs.Originally posted by bob_mcshug
I think O'Flynn will get more exposure with us and it would be a good career move for him.
You may not know much about the League of Ireland and think that players/clubs aren't up to much but believe me outside of Glasgow Rangers and Glasgow Celtic Scotish football is virtually non existant as far as the rest of the football world is concerned. I think Bohs know a bit about Aberdeen since they knocked them out of the UEFA Cup in 2000 but as for the rest of you, we haven't got the foggiest.
Have Boot Disk, will travel
Aberdeen have won the European Cup winners cup, Dundee Utd got the final of the Uefa. So other Scottish Teams have achieved success.
When Bohs beat Aberdeen, Aberdeen were the worst side in their history, only saved from relegation by league reconstruction.
But Kilmarnock beat Shelbourne not so long a go. Kilmarnock are always crap.
Scottish Football suffers from Scottish people thinking their either Irish or English and travel from all over country to support the Bigot Brothers - Instead of the Local sides.
Anyway, look at the the UEFA Country Coefficients 2002/2003. The Scottish league is ranked 12th, Ireland is 37th.
We're in a footballing mega slump and you're in a boom, with all your great players and national side doing well -you're league is still below Iceland and Cyprus.
Here the link -> Coefficents
We're in the top division in our country and you're not.Originally posted by Olaf Thom
We're in a footballing mega slump and you're in a boom,
It's as simple as that.
We're in the process of establishing a full-time, professional league and things are getting better after they were bad.
There was a time in Cork when football grounds were jam packed with tens of thousands of people but that's all history as it the all the stuff you've given us about Scotish teams winning in Europe.
One of your biggest sides got to the final of a second rate European competition last year but couldn't win it.
I dare say their exploits and those of their Glasgow rivals has a lot to do with your coefficient status.
Lets call a spade a spade, without the top two you would have a league comparable to that of the Welsh League.
John O'Flynn would be a foolish lad to leave us for Falkirk.
Have Boot Disk, will travel
the national side's results have nothing to do with coefficients, it's purely based on results by club sides, and up to a few years ago irish clubs had only won games with alarming irregularity, but then we were an amateur/semi-pro league. that's improving now.
scotland's coefficient has much to do with rangers and celtic in the champions league (and the latter getting to the uefa cup final this season) and little to do with anyone else, certainly not falkirk.
the clubs you mentioned are all premier division, but we're talking about a first division side in falkirk, whose fans here have named two players who've gone on to do well after playing at falkirk as some incentive for o'flynn to move. roy keane moved from cobh ramblers but that doesn't mean a move there would do flynn any good.
at the end of the day, the money isn't good enough, the club plays at a lower level than flynn currently does and he doesn't need to move to get scouts looking at him as is obvious from falkirk's offer.
someone said your cup games were shown on sky, flynny's U21 games were too, he's had two of those this season, how many cup games did falkirk have on sky last season, if that's the incentive.
If Rangers and Celtic never existed there would be around 100,000 fans that would go and support there local team rather than go shopping with the wife.
When Hibs were in the winning the first division they averaged 17,500, when they got into the SPL the average crowd went down, despite 4 full houses against the Bigot Brothers.
All clubs get bigger crowds when their successful and the other Scottish clubs have no chance of competing with the forces of Darkness.
Without the Old Scum our league would be hyper-competitive and would get bigger crowds. I've lived in Basle for a while and trust me Hearts, Hibs and Aberdeen are bigger clubs than them, Bigger Stadiums and More Fans.
If the old firm ****ed off, the Scottish league would become stronger, and more like Switzerland or Austria than Wales or dare I say Ireland.
Can i ask the scottish lads on here, where did you here about a possible move for O'Flynn to Falkirk? Is it being reported in the scottish media? and by whom?
How long before we start comparing the size of our flags?Originally posted by Conor74
But let's not get all anti-Falkirk about it. .
A man can have no greater love than give 90 minutes for his friends.
It was in the Daily Record (a scottish paper) saying our Manager has put in a bid and would be viewing him on Friday.
I searched for John O'flynn, Irish Soccer on Google and found Soccercentral which seemed to confirm the Record story.
Look, if this guy is going to the top of the game then he shouldn't be coming to us. But if his contact ending soon then you might be better taking €200K from us than see him walk away for nothing.
Conor74, You're 100% right, if everyone supported their local team, we'd all be better off. Maybe then we could keep our good young players and you could keep yours.
To be fair i cant understand how seemingly intelligent people can think that moving to scot div1 once is a step backwards. The standard in the EL is ****. We play **** football week in week out. Whats the point in John O'Flynn staying with city?
He could score 50 goals for us next season and at the end of the day might get a move to a reasonable club. If he does well for a club like Falkirk theres a great chance of him moving to a decent team.
I remember a similar thread not so long ago saying that city were about on a par with division 1 in england. For christ sake. If we were in div 3 we MIGHT survive but we'd NEVER make it out of the conference in my opinion. Why is it that a pre-season carlisle team can come over and beat pats 2-1 (when ive seen loads of comments on here like "why would anyone move to carlisle?") when a full strength city side cant beat pats reserves? Open ye're eyes for **** sake, ye ****ing children.
Carlisle’s first team beat the Pats 3rd team (the reserves had played the day before) 2-1 Only 4 players that played that day were part of the team that beat Cork in the Lc Semi Final. Lets get things in priority. Some Leinster Senior League teams beat Carlisle, does that mean that the LSL is a higher standard than the English 3rd division?
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Falkirk beat Big Spending Wigan from the English 1st on Sunday.
I wouldn't read too much into pre-season games.
like i said, stuart taylor was playing for drogheda last season and was one of their best players !!! he came to us in january and took 2 months to get into the team !!! while he did well, he had a hard fight for his place!!Originally posted by Dodge
Carlisle’s first team beat the Pats 3rd team (the reserves had played the day before) 2-1 Only 4 players that played that day were part of the team that beat Cork in the Lc Semi Final. Lets get things in priority. Some Leinster Senior League teams beat Carlisle, does that mean that the LSL is a higher standard than the English 3rd division?
is the eircom league not just semi-pro?? surely o'flynn would benefit from full time football at a club that regularly attracts many english (and scottish) scouts ?!?
our 12,500 seater stadium will be finished by march next year and our purpose built training facilities will be finished by x-mas, despite what you might think, we are not some 2 bit shambles of a club !!
i also feel that playing alongside players of the calibre of Russell Latapy will benefit him on his way to the Premiership- if he is as good as you make him out to be!?
drogheda are one of the poorest prem div clubs and miles off the likes of cork city/bohs/shels/rovers, both in terms of wages i'd imagine and also facilities and crowds.. imo drogs are a div 1 / club standardOriginally posted by bob_mcshug
like i said, stuart taylor was playing for drogheda last season and was one of their best players !!! he came to us in january and took 2 months to get into the team !!! while he did well, he had a hard fight for his place!!
a yoyo team thats goes between the 2 divisions every few years
the EL at the higher levels.. Shels / bohs / rovers / cork city is pro further down at the lower levels .. ucd, drogs longford its part-timeOriginally posted by bob_mcshug
is the eircom league not just semi-pro?? surely o'flynn would benefit from full time football at a club that regularly attracts many english (and scottish) scouts ?!?
John O'Flynn is a full time pro, and i think his sights are a good deal higher then lowly falkirk
lets make a comparison. crowe who i dont rate as highly as o'flynn was recently rummoured to be linked to a 1.25million move to Chelsea.
ofllynn to falkirk... while an ambitious bid from falkirk for such a quality player.. it aint really realistic is it. stick to buying drog players on the cheap is more your league i'd say
Last edited by James; 31/07/2003 at 12:25 PM.
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All these arguments about coefficients or size of crowds or whatever are irrelevant!
Falkirk would not be a step up for O'Flynn!
€150k is not enough for O'Flynn who is an irish international 2 goals in 3 games!
I do no think O'Flynn will be attracted to Falkirk cos one of their players got a move to mighty Bristol. When is the last time a Falkirk player moved to a big/bigger club?
O'Flynn will only move to a big club or a club which offers him a good chance of moving to a big club!
btw O'Flynn has at least another 18 months on his contract & will get better offers if he continues his current form.
it's not so much an anti-falkirk thing with me, i don't have anything against them. i think a move to any scottish first division side would be of little use to flynn and city would require more money to consider selling.
his career has definitely been progressing at city, he's full time professional and an U21 international. there's no reason why that shouldn't continue to be the case.
IN the Echo:
Flynny: "I have heard nothing whatsoever about it"
"I have an open mind on a move back to England. I understand that reps from Blackburn and Aberdeen have seen me play but there's been no concrete offers at all"
to be honest I couldn't give a flying **** about falkirk. The only thing i know about falkirk is its a city in scotland. thats it. on that basis (i.e. that I have heard no more about them) I conclude they are not good enough for the lord our god o'flynn. IMO he should be looking no lower than the top 4 teams in the SPL, thats if he is mad enough to consider the footballing recession that is scotland right now. And as for the money, he's worth at least 3 times that.
The bottom line is he's worth much more, he's still young and has loads to offer. Junior culbs in Ireland have got double that amount from the national lottery! Would Falkirk sell their top striker for that little money?
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