Unemployment

[NeilMcD]

I believe it is 4 months holidays for secondary teachers when include Summer, Christmas, easter etc... I used to think was 3 months total until a teacher corrected me. Teaching not a high paid job mainly because of the holidays although it would seem worthwhile investigating idea of reducing summer holidays from 3 to 2 months.

I agree they get 4 months holidays but they do not get 4 months summer holidays.

[OneRedArmy]

I agree they get 4 months holidays but they do not get 4 months summer holidays.

And that changes the argument how?

[NeilMcD]

And that changes the argument how?

Well if you are going to make comments about teachers and how they have too much holidays I do think it is important to have your facts right, dont you, I could easily come along and say they have 2 months summer holidays, so thats half of what you said. Surely its important to actually get the facts right.

[Poor Student]

Could we not put words in each other's mouths please? He could just as easily be advocating more education.

Sorry, I was seeking clarification from Pete as I wasn't quite sure where he was coming from.

[dahamsta]

Sorry, I was seeking clarification from Pete as I wasn't quite sure where he was coming from.

Neither does pete.

[mypost]

Listening to Jack O'Connor the head of SIPTU on the news where he says that industrial action on a very dramatic scale will be required to resist the ongoing attacks on both public and private workers.

Having been made redundant from my last 4 jobs personally I for one would not support any person taking part in this and in my view if they do stage strikes people should be left on strike until they have no choice but to go back to work.

When people go on strike and lose earnings i am pretty sure he will still receive his full wage every week.

They have no regard for private sector workers. As long as the public sector isn't touched, and the private sector takes all the blows, they don't care. There was no intention of industrial action being taken until the government moved last week. There were even no job cuts announced.

I also would not support any action by them.

[Macy]

You obviously are aware that SIPTU is 2/3 Private Sector workers compared to 1/3 Public Sector. You are also obviously aware the main elements that the Union side was trying to get agreement on in the social partnership "talks" were pension protection for private sector workers, security against home repossessions (which according to many on here is only a threat to private sector workers) and a flexicurity system? Or is it just another illinformed rant?

[pete]

You obviously are aware that SIPTU is 2/3 Private Sector workers compared to 1/3 Public Sector.

In fairness it is not obvious as 90% of what SIPTU talk about if public sector related.

[Macy]

In fairness it is not obvious as 90% of what SIPTU talk about if public sector related.

Not true. Might be true of the reportage, but then that fits in with the myth that only the Public Sector is unionised. The media don't want to cover the campaigns against exploitation, for workers rights, about agency rights. It doesn't suit their agenda. SIPTU has sold the last two wage agreements to their public sector branchs on the basis of the concessions for Private sector workers, such as an increased labour inspectorate.

[pete]

Not true. Might be true of the reportage, but then that fits in with the myth that only the Public Sector is unionised. The media don't want to cover the campaigns against exploitation, for workers rights, about agency rights.

AFAIK pretty much all journalists are NUJ members? I presume you mean editorial is anti union?

[mypost]

Or is it just another illinformed rant?

So you don't think it's vaguely fishy that talk of industrial action and demos, only suddenly appear when it's announced that the public sector will have to take it's share of the financial pain, no??

The recession has been ongoing since late '06, the banking crisis merely accelerated the speed of the redundancies. 150,000 people signed on over the last 12 months. They can't take to the streets, unless it's outside a dole office.

[Macy]

I would've thought it was a breakdown in the talks that provoked it. SIPTU have been adamant that it should be about workers in general since the break down of talks.

Just because you choose to believe what suits what you want to believe, doesn't make it true. Or more like it, just because you choose to believe what the employers organisations and government want you to believe, doesn't make it true.

[mypost]

I would've thought it was a breakdown in the talks that provoked it. SIPTU have been adamant that it should be about workers in general since the break down of talks.

They were up in arms before and during the talks process. The nurses even said that cutting their pay would be "illegal". Now the decision's been made, the tax levy is being introduced, they're off to demonstrate and possibly throw the country into chaos. And keep their jobs while they're at it.

[Ringo]

They were up in arms before and during the talks process. The nurses even said that cutting their pay would be "illegal". Now the decision's been made, the tax levy is being introduced, they're off to demonstrate and possibly throw the country into chaos. And keep their jobs while they're at it.

Your right about the unions only getting wound up now becase of the pension levy. No one is losing their job in the public sector, but a lot of private sector workers aren't in a union so the unions aren't worried about them. Their looking after the public sector workers. If they strike, it'll be public sector strikes that will cause the most problems, buses, trains, nurses, etc.

[pete]

1,100 jobs going at SR Technics (formerly Team Aer Lingus). I would suspect fairly well paying jobs there too.

[Fr Damo]

Yes but Aer Lingus are taking some of this work back in house and there might be some work going for some of those 1100.

Heard the MD of the parent on news at one and he clisms we are 20% more expensive in terms of labour and labour was 95% of a maintanace bill, in essence he said they were losing money on the jobs they were doing. Bullsh%t,!! Is he telling us they only made about 25% margin on their contracts? Why didn't they call the Unions in before hand to work a solution and finally, why is Coughlan still in Office? Her office/dept is the second most important after Lenihan and she hasn't a clue.

[mypost]

I thought those SR Technics jobs had gone weeks ago. Ryanair have cut another 200 at DA, due to the travel tax imposed. You can't blame them for taking the action because of that, but you have to wonder what they mean when O'Leary talks constantly about "creating more jobs", and "establishing new routes".

As for the government, and the unions, well it's another black day for the private sector, so neither give a 4x about them really.

[Dodge]

Ryanair announcement
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....=gen-en-120209

Dublin Airport Authority reply
http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airp...209_stunt.html

Excellent reply IMO

[OneRedArmy]

Yes but Aer Lingus are taking some of this work back in house and there might be some work going for some of those 1100.

Heard the MD of the parent on news at one and he clisms we are 20% more expensive in terms of labour and labour was 95% of a maintanace bill, in essence he said they were losing money on the jobs they were doing. Bullsh%t,!! Is he telling us they only made about 25% margin on their contracts? Why didn't they call the Unions in before hand to work a solution and finally, why is Coughlan still in Office? Her office/dept is the second most important after Lenihan and she hasn't a clue.

Agree about Coughlan, embarrassing at this stage.

But on SR Technics, that place has been on the verge of closing for the last few years at least. Terrible IR going back to it's TEAM days and the cuurent economic situation was the final nail in the coffin rather than the cause.

Though the point remains that it's 1,200 well paid skilled jobs gone that can't be replaced by retail or call-centre positions.

[pete]

Don't know about the financial numbers but would seem reasonable that vast majority of SR Technics costs would be labour.

Ryanair would be mainly cutting back as people take less holidays in recessions. I would guess Ryanair won't cut number son main routes but will be those out of the way places that rely on holiday traffic. That said Ryanair need to keep their fares low as I would think a lot of traffic is people going to those out of the way places because of the cheap flights in the first place.

Bit off topic but I would agree with DAA facilities being third rate. Ryanair obviously no stranger to third rate facilities but I guess they like paying less for them. I read that 170 flights were cancelled last week & many at the end of the week when runway was open but the DAA could not clear the apron. Even Aer Lingus criticised them last week. Came through Pier D last week & Passport contol area is horriblly organised.