The use of your word "screw" there just shows how blind you are to reason.Originally Posted by EalingGreen
The money has been applied for. Legally, and not contraveening any law. It is not screwing anyone you muppet.
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EG, you keep saying that Derry City are from the Bogside.
That to me shows you as a narrow minded bigot, who connects Derry City(as a Perceived Catholic Club)with Irelands most famous Catholic Ghetto.
It's like me saying that Linfield are from the Shankill, because it's the most famous Protestant area In Belfast.
Taken from the funding appraisial:
Northern Ireland Priorities and Budget
"The project being proposed by Derry City Football Club is highly congruent with priority four of the Northern Ireland Priorities and Budget aims as it is concerned with redeveloping an area that is currently rundown and in need of regeneration.
Under the priority ‘A Society Based on Partnership, Equality, Inclusion and Mutual Respect’ the proposed project is highly congruent as aims to re-integrate young people back into the community, thus promoting inclusion and equality. The development of the football club will help to ‘regenerated urban neighbourhoods and strong communities’ by encouraging young people of the streets to learn through sport."
DCAL Corporate Plan
"The project being proposed by Derry City Football Club is highly congruent with the aims and objectives of the DCAL Corporate Plan. Through the development of the Brandywell, Derry City Football Club will meet aims one, two and three, to ‘enable as many as possible to experience and appreciate the excellence of our cultural assets’, ‘promote creativity and innovation, and lifelong learning’ and ‘encourage respect for and celebration of diversity’ through the proposed inclusion of the socially disadvantaged in the Derry City community. "
"Derry City Football Club is highly congruent with the Department of Culture, Arts and Leisure’s New TSN Action Plan under a number of its objectives including, ‘Increased participation by disadvantaged people’, ‘Enhanced skills and opportunities for disadvantaged people, groups and areas’ and ‘Increased economic activity in disadvantaged areas and by disadvantaged people’. The Derry City Football is targeting disadvantaged people in a deprived area encouraging integration through learning new skills."
Sports Council NI
"The Derry City Football Club will fulfil the mission of the Sports Council NI through the redevelopment of the Brandywell. Although the project is congruent with a number of the aims for the Sports Council NI it shows particularly high congruency with the following aim ‘to contribute to the positive development of people in NI, especially young people, by consolidating and improving the delivery of sport through the removal of barriers to participation’ as the redevelopment will encourage young people to get involved in sport."
"The proposed project is highly congruent with the objectives outlined above. The development of the Brandywell will undoubtedly increase the participation in sport. The project will help to increase the number of young people involved in sport and provide better facilitates for them to participate in. Therefore, it is fully congruent with the Sports Strategy for Northern Ireland 1997-2005. "
Irish Sports Council’s Strategy
"The proposed project by Derry City Football is highly congruent with the all aims of the Irish Sports Council’s Strategy but in particular with the councils two high level goals. The first of the goals is to ‘increase the number of people participating in sport and physical activity’. The project will help to accommodate this by making the involvement in sport much more attractive through skills training and improved surroundings. The second goal will be achieved by providing better facilities, in the hope that performance in sports will consequently improve."
Derry City Council Economic Development Strategy
"The project proposed is highly congruent with the priorities of Derry City Council as shown in the Economic Development Strategy for 2000-2006. The project is especially congruent under the priority of ‘Tourism and Leisure Development’, which the Council aim to improve through ‘Realising the potential contribution of tourism and leisure to the economy, building the role of the City both as a tourism destination in its own right but also as the regional hub and gateway for the north-west of Ireland’.
The proposed project by Derry City Football Club will also include the development of a number of commercial units that will be available for leasing (for retail etc). Therefore, the proposed project is also congruent under the priority of the ‘Urban Economy’, which involves ‘Enhancing the potential of the City Centre as an economic zone focusing on retail, commercial and office uses but recognising the contribution the creative industries and even economy sectors can make to regeneration’. "
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FAI Development Plan
"The Derry City Football Club is highly congruent with the FAI Development Plan under a number of the key objectives outlined above. It is particularly congruent with the following four objectives:
Increase grassroots participation;
Provide a clear development structure for emerging talent;
Achieve and sustain international success;
Provide guidelines and a framework for the development of quality training facilities at local, regional and national level.
The proposed project aims to integrate people, especially young people, into sport to help develop their skills and talent, which is highly congruent with the aims of the FAI."
Safety at Sports Grounds NI Order and the Disability Discrimination Act
"At present the existing grounds do not provide easy access to services for persons with disabilities The project proposed by Derry City Football will need to be and will be fully cognise with the regulations outlined in both the Safety at Sports Grounds NI Order and the Disability Discrimination Act 1995. "
The proposals meet quite a few objectives from Government and other funding bodies - we are well entitled to apply for funding
Last edited by dcfc_1928; 25/04/2008 at 10:16 PM.
But dcfc 1928 we cannot use any of the points listed.
We're from the Bogside.
Derry appling for grants! We should be charging them for the honour of playing down here ffs.
But where has the nicest chips? North or South?
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Ahhh - so now that your arguement has been exposed as flawed, it's no longer the issue of dual funding, but all about the size of that funding now Are you in training for Stormont yourself, or do you just shift goalposts mid-debate for a hobby....
EG - let me make this as simple as I can for you. It is not Derry City's fault that football in NI has been starved of money. It may have escaped your attention, but our club is based in NI too, and has therefore been a victim of that same financial famine as well.
Why do you have to turn this into a zero-sum game - the proverbial crab in a bucket trying to drag the other crabs down, least one of them get out when you don't ? Why not applaud Derry's approach, on the basis that more money for any part of football on this island is a good thing; encourage IL clubs to be just as demanding themselves; and turn your protests towards those who are starving NI football of money - the authorities ? Again - it's not DCFC's fault there isn't more than £8m going into Irish League fotball. Why not focus on those who are really to blame for there not being more money in the game, rather than keep draging those ambitious crabs back down to the level of mediocrity with you ? Hell - you might even find that something like that would unite football - DCFC with IL teams, northern and southern teams together - in creating a stronger voice to demand better funding from ALL sources.
Or perhaps that would just be too positive and progressive an idea. Perhaps it's just more soothing to be able to blame a single football club for all the ills of the NI authorities attitude towards funding football....
As an aside - this strikes me as very simnilar to the mindset that exists in certain quarters in the north that any improvement in the position of the Irish language somehow inherently represents an erosion in the position of the Unionist culture. 'Zero-sum' every time....
Last edited by dcfcsteve; 25/04/2008 at 11:42 PM.
Plenty of chips on shoulders round Irish League grounds by the sounds of it....
haha chips on shoulder alright. Once again a certain somebody proves himself to be the biggest fool on the forum :O
I say drive on and apply for grants everywhere, even iceland if you can get it. The more the merrier. I think Derry deserve it, they are a great club.
Haven't read this thread, will look tomorrow.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
As a taxpayer, and a football supporter im sure i represent the majority who feel that the irish government should only give moeny to projects within their jurisdiction, except where it could be deemed as charity such as 3rd world causes. I have no problem with the FAI giving Derry City money as they are an affiliated club.
I believe I am very consitent in my views, as outlined re state grants to for examole Queens or Arnagh GAA.
Fair Play died Nov 18th 2009, Stade Francais.
IF you took the time to read my posts you wouls see i have no problem with Derry City getting an FAI grant which in reality is approved by the Irish Gov, as well as a Nor Irish Gov grant, I do not believe they shoule get grants from both the FAI & IFA or bothe the Irish Gov and the Norn Irish Gov.If we are based in one jurisdiction and play in another, why shouldn't we seek funding form both sides ?? Apart from a whinge based on the fact that you personally don't think we should, give me one good reason why a club forced into that unique position should not therefore seek unique fundign arrangements to reflect it ?
The bigots of the past are largely the same bigots of today in the Irish League. It took until this year to change the sectarian block on Sunday football, for example, and it was still supported by almost 20% of those League members who voted on it.
Shall I assume that you and Ealing Green will be complaining to the NI Executive about the roads, Police Schools and 'cultural organisations' in the north that are also being dual-funded. Oh no wait- it's just Derry City you don't like it happening to.....
I wont repeat myself but most reasonable people will fully read the other persons opinion.
Fair Play died Nov 18th 2009, Stade Francais.
Why does this have to be a 'zero sum' game....?
£8m between 16 Premier and 24 First/Second Division teams in senior football ?
Perhaps the answer is for the Irish league to be given more - not Derry City less...
This I fully agree with.
Fair Play died Nov 18th 2009, Stade Francais.
Someone went fishing, took a load of bait.
As Irishmen we dilute our sense of nation by depending on the English to bring us our balls
Well as a football supporter, and a tax payer, I think you are wrong. The majority of people to comment on this thread are overwhelmingly positive about Derry applying for these grants.
I'm sure there will be no national outcry in the North or the South following the expected approval of these grants. If there is I'll be more than happy to wear a t-shirt saying "I was wrong over public opinion in relation to DCFC obtaining money from both sides of the border." Every day for two weeks. Maybe.
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So you have no problem with the Govt giving DCFC monies aslong as it is through a third body? Seems a bit silly to be honest.
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You are missing the point.
The argument by people who are in favour of getting these grants is that the money is not just for the football club, but is for regeneration of the whole deprived area. And as a club located in Northern Island, who pays VAT on all their tickets etc, the club and area are entitled to money from the Northern Irish government. I fully agree.
But it's hard to reconcile that with the fact that Derry City's chairman (not the chairman of some regeneration committee, but the football club chairman) are asking the Irish government for money also. Presumably this money is also for the regeneration of the Brandywell area also? In which case I'm not sure why the Irish government should be funding such a regeneration effort for a city that is at the moment in another country.
I am aware that there is a precedent for this with other dual-funded projects, however. It's been mentioned on this thread that there is cross-border money available, and Derry are looking for it.
Greenforever's point is that any money given by the government should be given through the FAI, in the form of a grant for the club, not for a regeneration project.
Last edited by osarusan; 26/04/2008 at 12:09 PM.
Drive on, give them the money. I'd work another hour a week if it justified it. Give them €10m ..... go for it hi !!
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Derry are quite entitled to APPLY to both governments for the grants, regardless of the size.
Now whether they are granted the money are not is a matter for the governments and if NI clubs have a problem with the allocation its the government they should be taking it up with.
Derry owe IL clubs nothing, so they shouldnt even figure in tehir plans.The government on the other hand does.
I think your getting angry at the wrong group EG
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