Derry City applying for Grant Aid

[dancinpants]

Just as the "Receive Government funding from Dublin and Government funding from Belfast, whilst every other club in the island has to make do with one or the other, all in order to sustain full-time football which appears otherwise unsustainable" argument is going over yours?

Come back down to earth Ealing FFS.

[Greenforever]

In my opinion Derry City are quite entitles to apply to the NI gov for funding and should get it (or not) based on the projects merits not on where they play football etc.

They would not have a right to apply to the Irish gov for a grant as they are not in the state.

They are entitled to apply to the FAI for a grant which should also be judged on it's merits.

The situation is really no different to for example a Dublin Club applying to the Irish gov and the FAI for grants and getting grants from both OR an IL club applying to the NI gov and the IFA for grants and getting grants from both.

In my own experience our junior club received grants from both the FAI and the Irish Gov for our club redevelopment, so the only unique thing is that they would be getting 1 grant fromn the North and 1 from the south.

I can's see why anyone should have an issue with this, they are entitled to an FAI grant as they play under the jurisdiction of the FAI and are also entitled to a grant from the NI gov as they are located there.

[EalingGreen]

So no money for anyone unless money goes to all? No one would get any grant aid in that case.

No, if we are to accept your argument, then Derry City should just join the queue for their SHARE of grant aid, along with the other 40 senior clubs in NI. But there isn't £205 million currently available from the NI Executive for all 41 clubs, in case you're wondering.

For a club that plays in the North (half of the time) and pays it's taxes. The money is for regeneration.

So why should the Dublin Government subsidise a club which doesn't pay its taxes to them? Or have the clubs which do already received more money than they want? And why shou,d Dublin pay to regenerate somewhere in NI. Dp the taxpayers of e.g. Limerick not mind? Does Dundalk not need regeneration? As for Derry City playing in NI half the time, they also played in France and Scotland last year. Why not apply to their Governments for a hand out?

I'd say that they definitely can apply, you goose. Cross border money is available in quite substantial amounts.

But it isn't "cross-border money" which DCFC are applying for! Or can IL clubs apply to the Dublin Government for grant-aid? Can they fcuk!

Bloody fenians and that money grabbing work shy attitude.

Who brought religion into the argument? Disgraceful. But in your rush to condemn me with an irrelevant (and offensive) reply, you appear to have missed what I was saying. I am on the record for sympathising with Derry City for the disgracefully partial way they have been treated by their local Council, compared with local GAA clubs. Then again, what else would I expect from a Coucil dominated by "bloody fenians", eh?

Yawn.

If that's your best reply, you'd have been better just tiptoeing past my point and hoping no-one notices.

Why not from the body that we pay our taxes to?



The root of your problem with Derry, maybe?



Lets not forget why we joined the eL. After years of reapplication to 'your' league it was a last resort.

There is nothing stopping you from relocating the club a few miles across the border. That way, you might even be closer to where some of your players live. And pay their taxes.

The root of your problem with Derry, maybe?

I don't have a "problem with Derry" and I'd appreciate it if you didn't make things up about me. I genuinely regret that they were forced out of the IL, esp since it was for indefensible reasons. I would love to see them back in the IL, but respect their choice to stay in the Eircom.
But the key word is "choice". and choices bring with them consequences, which in this case mean they ought not to be allowed to have it both ways. Either they are an ROI/FAI club and so benefit from ROI Government grant aid, or they are an NI/IFA club and benefit from NI government grant-aid. "Riding two horses at once" should not be an option, especially since it is not open to any other club on the island.

Lets not forget why we joined the eL. After years of reapplication to 'your' league it was a last resort.

If you're going to make 30 year-old arguments, don't be too surprised if you get 30 year-old replies. The fact is, Derry would be welcomed back in the IL if they chose to reapply now. And they would be eligible for all the benefits, and responsiblities, which any other IL club receives.

[EalingGreen]

I don't care what the NI executive pay Derry City as makes no difference to me. Likewise it should make no difference to other NI clubs if Derry get funding from the FAI or ROI government.

I have no objection towards DCFC obtaining funding from the FAI or ROI Govt.

But it does make a difference to me, as a fan of an IL club, if a club from another league, based in another country, gets funding from the NI Govt at the expense of IL clubs. You know, the ones who play all their games in NI.

[EalingGreen]

In my opinion Derry City are quite entitles to apply to the NI gov for funding and should get it (or not) based on the projects merits not on where they play football etc.

They would not have a right to apply to the Irish gov for a grant as they are not in the state.

They are entitled to apply to the FAI for a grant which should also be judged on it's merits.

The situation is really no different to for example a Dublin Club applying to the Irish gov and the FAI for grants and getting grants from both OR an IL club applying to the NI gov and the IFA for grants and getting grants from both.

In my own experience our junior club received grants from both the FAI and the Irish Gov for our club redevelopment, so the only unique thing is that they would be getting 1 grant fromn the North and 1 from the south.

I can's see why anyone should have an issue with this, they are entitled to an FAI grant as they play under the jurisdiction of the FAI and are also entitled to a grant from the NI gov as they are located there.

An entirely fair post, imo. I can have no objection to Derry City applying to the IFA for grant aid, in addition to grant-aid from the Irish Govt (who can assist whoever they like with their money). But this is not IFA aid DCFC are talking about, it's money from the NI Executive.

[SwanVsDalton]

Derry are looking out for number one and working damn hard to do it. These plans have hardly dropped out of the sky and if any IL club has a problem with it, they may put in the graft and make their own representations.

You may have a point in saying Derry can't have it both ways but, TBH, I don't care. These plans have been, slowly, in gear for years and, although there is no guarantee of success, both governments have been thusfar fairly receptive. And don't underestimate how beneficial this money will be to one of the most deprived areas in Ireland.

If you have a problem with how the executive distributes their money you could always take it up with them...

[EalingGreen]

Come back down to earth Ealing FFS.

My point about DCFC wanting money to sustain full-time football which appears otherwise unsustainable was derived from the following statement:

"If we don't get it [i.e. the grant-aid], it's going to cause serious problems as regards full-time football in the city of Derry."

Recognise the speaker? Does the name 'Pat McDaid' ring a bell?

[pól-dcfc]

No, if we are to accept your argument, then Derry City should just join the queue for their SHARE of grant aid, along with the other 40 senior clubs in NI. But there isn't £205 million currently available from the NI Executive for all 41 clubs, in case you're wondering.

As stated earlier, the money isn't just for the club. Derry has been neglected for years by Belfast.

So why should the Dublin Government subsidise a club which doesn't pay its taxes to them? Or have the clubs which do already received more money than they want? And why shou,d Dublin pay to regenerate somewhere in NI. Dp the taxpayers of e.g. Limerick not mind? Does Dundalk not need regeneration? As for Derry City playing in NI half the time,they also played in France and Scotland last year. Why not apply to their Governments for a hand out?

Not many seem to have a problem with it.

But it isn't "cross-border money" which DCFC are applying for! Or can IL clubs apply to the Dublin Government for grant-aid? Can they fcuk!

Of course it would be cross-border money. Unless Derry has been relocated since the last time I was home.

Who brought religion into the argument? Disgraceful. But in your rush to condemn me with an irrelevant (and offensive) reply, you appear to have missed what I was saying. I am on the record for sympathising with Derry City for the disgracefully partial way they have been treated by their local Council, compared with local GAA clubs. Then again, what else would I expect from a Coucil dominated by "bloody fenians", eh?

Apologies for that then. I've obviously read into your post in a way that was unintended.

If that's your best reply, you'd have been better just tiptoeing past my point and hoping no-one notices.

It was an irrelevant point. Hence the reply.

There is nothing stopping you from relocating the club a few miles across the border.

Aye true. Derry City FC, Donegal. Wise up you WUM.

That way, you might even be closer to where some of your players live. And pay their taxes.

Completely irrelevant. It is an individuals choice where they live.

I don't have a "problem with Derry" and I'd appreciate it if you didn't make things up about me. I genuinely regret that they were forced out of the IL, esp since it was for indefensible reasons. I would love to see them back in the IL, but respect their choice to stay in the Eircom.

Every single one of your posts on this topic come accross as very anti-Derry. I don't think you can blame people for thinking that you have a problem with the club.

But the key word is "choice". and choices bring with them consequences, which in this case mean they ought not to be allowed to have it both ways. Either they are an ROI/FAI club and so benefit from ROI Government grant aid, or they are an NI/IFA club and benefit from NI government grant-aid. "Riding two horses at once" should not be an option, especially since it is not open to any other club on the island.

Or a NI/FAI club. As we are. And we didn't have a choice 20 years ago. Maybe the IFA and it's member clubs should live with the consequences of their choice to kick Derry out of the league and then continually refuse our reapplications.

If you're going to make 30 year-old arguments, don't be too surprised if you get 30 year-old replies. The fact is, Derry would be welcomed back in the IL if they chose to reapply now. And they would be eligible for all the benefits, and responsiblities, which any other IL club receives.

Cheers. Glad to know you'd have us back. When our crowds are higher than almost any club on the island and we are playing good football and creating good atmosphere. Real philantropists the IFA.

[pól-dcfc]

My point about DCFC wanting money to sustain full-time football which appears otherwise unsustainable was derived from the following statement:

"If we don't get it [i.e. the grant-aid], it's going to cause serious problems as regards full-time football in the city of Derry."

Recognise the speaker? Does the name 'Pat McDaid' ring a bell?

It's of course a side-effect.

[pól-dcfc]

An entirely fair post, imo. I can have no objection to Derry City applying to the IFA for grant aid, in addition to grant-aid from the Irish Govt (who can assist whoever they like with their money). But this is not IFA aid DCFC are talking about, it's money from the NI Executive.

Why would it be ok for the IFA to give us money? The club doesn't contribute much to the IFA coffers. We do however contribute to the Stormont Executive's budget. Surely it makes a huge amount more sense recieviung money from them than the IFA?

[EalingGreen]

Derry are looking out for number one

I admire your honesty. A touch of it would not go amiss from some of your fellow DCFC fans, mind.

You may have a point in saying Derry can't have it both ways but, TBH, I don't care. These plans have been, slowly, in gear for years and, although there is no guarantee of success, both governments have been thusfar fairly receptive. And don't underestimate how beneficial this money will be to one of the most deprived areas in Ireland.

Indeed. But there are IL clubs which are working equally hard to improve facilities, such as Glenavon, Portadown and Cliftonville, who are receiving only a fraction of £5m from the IFA, and nothing at all from the NI Executive, to whom DCFC are applying. Those clubs are operating in equally deprived areas paying VAT and taxes etc, just like DCFC, but cannot also apply for assistance from Dublin/FAI.

If you have a problem with how the executive distributes their money you could always take it up with them...

I might just do that!

[EalingGreen]

Why would it be ok for the IFA to give us money? The club doesn't contribute much to the IFA coffers. We do however contribute to the Stormont Executive's budget. Surely it makes a huge amount more sense recieviung money from them than the IFA?

Clubs throughout Ireland are entitled to grant aid from their Association and their Govt. So for e.g. Bohemians, this is the FAI and Dublin and for e.g. Clftonville, this is the IFA and Belfast.

Due to their unique circumstances, DCFC are obviously different in practice, but the same principles should apply i.e. one Association and one Government. I would suggest the former should be the IFA, since they are responsible for football in NI and DCFC are located in NI and for the latter, I would suggest it must be Dublin, since they reserve the right to play ina League which is situated in the ROI.

What is unacceptable to me is their attempt to be "Norn Iron" when it comes to getting assistance from IFA/NI Govt and "Oirish" when it comes to appealing to the FAI and Dublin.

Every other club in Ireland is forced to have it one way or the other. Derry City are given a dispensation to have a bit of one and a bit of the other. Fair enough.

But they now appear to be wanting all of one and all of the other. I don't blame you for trying, but sooner or later you should be required to sh1t, or get off the pot!

[geysir]

I suppose Derry City FC saw that the Irish Gov. were funding redevelopment of the A5 from Derry to Aughnacloy to the tune of £320m+ and thought - why not ask for for a few million to be thrown in their direction. You never know, if you don't ask you won't get it.

[Juanace]

Ah luvly to see nothing changes, do some of ye just luv petty points scoring or sumtin??

The real question here is why have Derry City FC only applied for funding now..under FAI Club Licenising they were supposed to have and enacted a redevelopment by now (along with other clubs), yet all they've done is ask for funds?? What have they been doing all this time!!

Couldnt they have ask years ago for funding from all the relevent sources!

[EalingGreen]

Every single one of your posts on this topic come accross as very anti-Derry. I don't think you can blame people for thinking that you have a problem with the club.

I've made my case on the various other points we've debated, but I won't let this one pass. Nowhere on this this thread, this Board, or any other Board, have I ever been disrespectful or anti-Derry City, On the contrary, when I have occasionally referred to them, it has generally been complimnentary and/or sympathetic.

I just feel that in this case, they are taking the p iss. Which normally wouldn't bother me, except that if successful, this would be depriving IL clubs of an enormous chunk of money, when I personally think they are more deserving of, since they cannot also get assistance from either the FAI or Dublin Government like DCFC.

If you therefore conclude that my objection to what I see as DCFC's brass neck over this specific issue must make me anti-DCFC per se, then it is you who has the problem.

[Mr A]

I think there is bound to be a certain amount of ease from other clubs who have struggled to secure grant monies about the scale of the assistance that Derry City are looking for here. If my understanding is correct Derry City are looking not just for a new stadium but for retail and commercial units which will seriously strengthen their hand financially. Good luck to them if they can pull if off, but there is bound to be a bit of comment from from other people who would see large amounts of public money ploughed into a private company, albeit a football club in a poor area, as slightly unusual.

[pól-dcfc]

Ah luvly to see nothing changes, do some of ye just luv petty points scoring or sumtin??

The real question here is why have Derry City FC only applied for funding now..under FAI Club Licenising they were supposed to have and enacted a redevelopment by now (along with other clubs), yet all they've done is ask for funds?? What have they been doing all this time!!

Couldnt they have ask years ago for funding from all the relevent sources!

Are you serious? You clearly know nothing of the circumstances. We have been requesting financial aid, and permission to buy and redevelop the stadium for a long long time. Unfortunately the council has held us up at every opportunity. This is the climax of a long and hard fought campaign.

[pól-dcfc]

I personally think they are more deserving of, since they cannot also get assistance from either the FAI or Dublin Government like DCFC.
.

You are WRONG though. Institute got Irish Govt funding for floodlights for their training pitch, and I believe Linfield have also taken money aswell.

[pól-dcfc]

I think there is bound to be a certain amount of ease from other clubs who have struggled to secure grant monies about the scale of the assistance that Derry City are looking for here. If my understanding is correct Derry City are looking not just for a new stadium but for retail and commercial units which will seriously strengthen their hand financially. Good luck to them if they can pull if off, but there is bound to be a bit of comment from from other people who would see large amounts of public money ploughed into a private company, albeit a football club in a poor area, as slightly unusual.

It's simple economics. It is a sensible decision for the NI Exec to plough money into the Brandywell. More jobs= smaller dole queues, and more money being contributed in taxes to the exchequer. I'd say in a few years the Govt will have made back it's money, plus some.

[dancinpants]

Also interesting to note a point raised in the IL Forum, that the Exchequer get a bigger pay day from one City match than it would from multiple IL games.