QuoteI think Harte should be in squad if only for his ability at free kicks
I dont know why Maybery is anywhere near the squad
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You're having a laugh? Not this debate again .. Harte is crap. Doesn't track back etc etc
I think Harte should be in squad if only for his ability at free kicks
I dont know why Maybery is anywhere near the squad
Originally Posted by macdermesser
So whats the difference between him and O'Shea
Ian Harte is a left full back playing 1st team football in La Liga
O'Shea plays in centre midfield for Man Utd RESERVES
Why bother doing this again? Harte is poor, he never impressed for Ireland (and he got a rake of caps), he can't defend, he can't mark, he can't track back...All the free-kicks in the world won't make up for this, ever, so let's not go down this road one more time.
Add that to a snotty attitude about being called up...
Harte: defender, no pace, caught out of position a lot, poor passer, short, good free kick specialist.
O'Shea: defender, pace, an ok defender, couldn't pass to one of his team mates in a month of Sundays, tall, not a free kick specialist.
Not a great choice but I'd still go for O'Shea because the primary job of a defender is to defend and Harte is incapable of that.
Is there a list of recognised Irish left full backs anywhere?
Off the top of my head:
O'Shea
Harte
Maybury (sometimes)
Kennedy (sometimes)
Clarke (although I think he's central midfield now)
Heary?
Delaney at Hull
O'Shae all they way..
He may not have been perfect last night but himself and Kavanagh played much better than the whole rest of the team last night..
He gets an awful lot of undeserved stick IMO..
He's a great player and deserves to be in the Irish first 11
Harte and O'Shea are both sh1te.
Play Finnan left full.
At least he can defend, has abit of pace, can pass a ball and looks reasonably intelligent.
O'Shea looks like he's on gear half the time.
In anticipation of another debate on the merits of O'Shea at left back I studied his game last night and as usual I came up with the same conclusion: he can defend well, gets forward well but his distribution is sometimes terrible.
I'd still have him as our no. 1.
Maybury was shown up badly last night I thought and I honestly think Harte is a better option as back-up.
I'm surprised Kerr hasn't called up Clarke for friendlies. He looked like a proper left-back in The Valley last year.
And given that Kilbane is looking more erratic in central midfield maybe he could do a job here.
As for the merits of otherwise of a friendly against China, if Kerr learns that Maybury isn't good enough then that's something.
He couldn't pass the ball to one of the 10 other green shirts on the pitch 4 times out of 5.
he wasn't that bad I don't think, I actually thought he was playing ok..
but will watch the match tonight again and get back to you..
Still think he out played and worked harder than most of the rest of the team
O'Shea gets caught out far too often, better off playing Finnan on the wrong side to be honest. We have no decent quality out-and-out left back.
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Just stick Richie Dunne in there.
"In life, it aint about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep on moving forward"
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I definitely want to see Finnan at left back too. It may be his wring side but its also O'Shea's wrong side. Don Given always brings up the fact that O'Shea could never even hit a ball with his left foot before he trained day in day out.
I actually think O'Shea right-back and Finnan left back would work. In due course I hope to see O'Shea playing in midfield. I think I said yesterday (if I did't I meant to) that if Maybury was to play he should play LB, where he always plays, and we could look at O'Shea RB.
Can the stattos among us tell me how often O'Shea has played right-back? All I can remember is Poland away (when he did well) and part of the Jamaica game.
Speaking of Don Givens, his job must be on the line. Only a few months ago we were saying we had the best U21s ever, now look at the competitive results. Probably worth a separate thread but I'm too lazy.
Both of them are useless, i used to cringe everytime Harte got the ball but with o' shea i just close my eyes and hope for the best. Play Finnan there or quite posibally Kilbane.
O'Shea played great on the left side of midfield all match in Israel. Everytime he got the ball he gave it to Duff, which is what more of our players should do.
...then duff gave it back to Given
Resign, now!
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