QuoteContained the Brazilians and the French OK...Originally Posted by kezman15
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Contained the Brazilians and the French OK...
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Friendlies my friend, friendlies.
I think this has been done and dusted. Hearte looked great when he first went to Spain, but there were a few matches (like the one against Real Madrid) where he was caught with complete lack of pace and little vision.
I thought he should have got a call up when he first started off in Spain but now think Kerr was right.
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France was a World Cup qualifier.
I don't like the way friendlies are played down whenever it suits an argument, the Brazilians player their best players and there was some excellent defending in that game I seem to remember... Andy O`Brien being one of the most notable players.
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France was a World Cup qualifier.
Harte wasn't even in the squad for the France game, let alone the team!
I think he's better than Maybury, and no worse than O'Shea; thought he was worth a call-up when he moved to Spain, but then I assume Kerr's basing his decision not to call him up on having seen him rather than picking names out of a hat at random, so if Kerr's happy nothaving him in the squad, I'm not going to complain really.
Last edited by pineapple stu; 30/12/2004 at 11:14 PM.
Er...no. Harte didn't play against France in Paris. I was at the match and I can't recall seeing him thereTaxi for Fergie's Son!
France was a World Cup qualifier.
I don't like the way friendlies are played down whenever it suits an argument, the Brazilians player their best players and there was some excellent defending in that game I seem to remember... Andy O`Brien being one of the most notable players.
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Last time we played the French in WC qualifiers it was in 1986 (I believe, I could be wrong). Harte probably wasn't up to much then but he probably ran faster.
Surely if you were at the match...you'd have been drunk...and not recalling too much! QED!Er...no. Harte didn't play against France in Paris. I was at the match and I can't recall seeing him thereYou're not gone mad, though...he definitely didn't play. Last time we played France was '89 - Andy Townsend's debut, 0-0 - before that, the '82 qualifers.
Harte isn't good enough. Hes too slow.
Remember ireland vs australia, ireland down 1-0, harte comes off the bench, creates two chances for two goals. Noticed when harte was dropped, ireland went through a form slump......Go the aussies
Since the Australia game, Ireland have only lost once in ten friendlies and four competitive games, including draws against Brazil and France and wins against the Czechs and Romania. That one defeat was against Nigeria two days after playing in Lansdowne with a seriously depleted squad. Hope our slump continues!
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When kezman15 said "as our defence would struggle to contain a Norwich attack" he meant Australia's defence.
pineapple stu, Fergie's Son: Adrianovic never said Harte played against France, or Brazil for that matter.
thejollyrodger - You must have read the man's name hundreds of times yet you persist in spelling it wrong.
Alas, I must correct you back - Adrianovic goes on to state that the France game was a World Cup qualifier - unless Australia played France in a qualifier recently (which they didn't - Confederations Cup in 2001 was the last time they met competitively), he meant Ireland's game with France. Also, he subsequently refers to the Brazil game and Andy O'Brien's performance, which means he was talking about the Irish games. Which means that his original post "Contained the Brazilians and the French OK..." can only have inflected the reference to Harte in Kezman's post, not the Aussies.
Either that, or he wasn't very clear saying what he was saying...!
Adrianovic thought kezman was talking about Ireland when he slated the defense, thus stating that we held the French and Brazilian's.
I was right in what I said, Ireland's defence is fit to hold the French and the Brazilians off, France was a World Cup qualifier..... I didn't see where Australia came into it all, only after reading it 3 times have I got that bit. Sorry about that lads.
The initial criticism by Kezman15 concerned Ireland's defence, not the abilities of Ian Harte.
I apologise for sounding a bit pedantic in all of this.
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Last edited by Adrianovic; 02/01/2005 at 7:50 PM.
No apologies necessary. I misunderstood your initial post. Harte still isn't good enough for Ireland though.
Hehe after all that I agree with you.
I think he's probably good enough to get into the squad though, I'd just be much happier with Steve Finnan or Josh at left back. I'd like to have a look at Clive Clark one day too.
He's the captain of Stoke at a relatively young age and I've seen him a few times and been impressed. Can play left back, centre back or defensive midfield. Not really better than any of the other options in all honesty, but might be better than Maybury or Harte.
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Clive Clarke will be 25 this year (this month, I think). He has been around for a while with Stoke, having moved there from Ireland. He has been a regular in the Stoke team since 1999.
Having seen him play several times at U-21, he only ever looked ordinary. If he had been top drawer, he would have moved from Stoke before now and would have made the breakthrough in the national senior side by now. I think he only played in the Unity Cup last summer because of injuries.
No doubt he is a good club pro at Stoke and is playing in a league where he is good enough for the standard. Unfortunately he is not top flight and certainly not the answer to our left back problem.
Although he is a right sided player, our brightest young prospect as a full back is Stephen Kelly of Tottenham.
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Ah, a completely different meaning again! I assumed that seeing as Kezman had been talking about Australia, that's who he meant by "our", hence the confusion. Ah well! Sorry 'bout that... As Adrianovic said, though, doesn't change the points made.
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