QuoteYeah its is hard to get into the mindset of these guys, life is very cheap to these guys. Something very barbaric about it.
Is there a thread already open on this?
Have to say this is one of the most disgusting things to happen in memory. What is wrong with these little scumbags? What goes through the head of a young lad when he decides to stab 2 people in the head with a screwdriver. who sits around and eggs him on? Hanging too good for the lot of them and their parents too. Its about time soemthing was done about the scumbag element in this country.
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Yeah its is hard to get into the mindset of these guys, life is very cheap to these guys. Something very barbaric about it.
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The story so far is the polish guys where going into the off license some very young girls asked them to get them drink they wouldn’t so they started to threaten the polish guys who laughed it off and walked away. The girls went up to this scumbags house who left the house armed with a screw driver came up behind them and attacked them stabbing them 6 or 7 times in the head.
The thing is this scum bag is probably thinking he is the big man now. Residence of this area have been on all week saying they have been looking for something to be done about this gang but guards politicians etc would do nothing.
There is no point in the guards doing anything how many times have you seen a guy with 60 or 100 convictions get 6 months for some horrific attack.
60 convictions are just the ones he got caught doing and they could bring him to court for. you can double it for the amount they couldn’t charge him with and treble it for the ones he got away with. The amount of garda time gone into securing those convictions.
After my house was broken into they caught the guy and the cops called me in to give a statement they said that when it would get to court the free Lawyer your man would have would ask for statements and they would have to put it off for a day , the cops would spend a few days collecting the statements go back into court and he would just plead guilty !!! just to waste a day. Now if it takes the cops a few days to get a case ready to take to court and go to court for a simple junkie burglar imagine the work load that goes into taking one of these little dirt bags to court in a serious case.
The laws need to be changed but they never will be its just the sound bite for this week that has taken over from the coke sound bite of last week , it’s the thing to be seen saying none of the politicians will actually do anything.
I don't know what to make of all of this. I've always been treated decent by all irish folk be it south side or north side of this lovely city. I felt awful yesterday of hearing the news about the second man passing away.
I'm still feeling anger, sadness and depression because when things like these happen it makes me think less of DublinAnd I love this city!
My heart goes out to the family and friends of the two polish men...
ps. I say do the crime, then ye sure as hell better do the time.
Never send a monkey to do a mans job
I meant to add two links to blogs I read every now and then: Twenty Major and One For The Road have entries regarding the murders in Drimnagh.
http://twentymajor.net/2008/02/28/on-scum/
http://oneftroad.wordpress.com/2008/...inst-scumbags/
Hey, don't take this as me promoting vigilantism or anything like that. I just enjoy reading something else beside the usual stuff that is in the Indo, Herald etc.
Never send a monkey to do a mans job
Better policing solves this problem to an extent, have more visual Gardai in the areas that need it most. Sadly the Gardai are the most inept shower of wasters I've ever seen or heard about, seriously I can't think of a police force that are as ineffective as our lot.
As for scumbags who do things like this, well I never thought I'd say this but capital punishment should be looked into. People have such a disregard for the value of other peoples lives these days that only the threat of taking their own might impact on them. We need to have stricter laws on juveniles too, every little 14 year old knows they can terrorise whoever they please and get away scot free.
Honestly though, all jokes aside, I don't think I've ever encountered filth like I see in Dublin city centre on a daily basis. I was talking about this with an Aussie who was nearing the end of his trip around the world and he brought up the point that out of all the scum he has seen and encountered in his trip there seems to be something extra to the Dublin scum. Personally I can't stand even standing beside them, they are so filthy, look so diseased and talk in the most horrible accent I've ever encountered. I remember when I was living in the Coombe two years ago too, and I know a lot of junkies are up around that area due to the clinic, but there just seemed to be a more dangerous look in their eyes then the scum I've encountered in Cork, Limerick, London etc. A more desperate, I'll kill you for a fiver, sort of air about them. Normally I'd talk about trying to intigrate people like this back into society, but I really don't see any hope for people like that
I agree with you there Jebus. I seen a lot of Junkies in Barcelona when I was there and a few around Boston but there is something alot more sinister about the Dublin variety. and don't even get me started on the women junkiesOriginally Posted by jebus
While I agree with most of what else ya say I take issue at the above. Very easy to take cheap shots at the guards. What are they supposed to do? They are arresting these scum and the court system is putting them back on the streets.
When I was in New York I used to be down around Washington Square park a lot and saw and talked to quite a few junkies and I only ever felt pity for them, genuinely feel nothing but disgust for the Dublin variety
Ditto, the ones I seen in Barca and Beantown were pitiful creatures
how can you say the Gardai are an inept shower of wasters?? examples please, taking into account how under resourced, under staffed they are and how frustrating it must be when they do their job to a t, arrest someone for a crime, bring them to court and the judge puts down some derisory punishment
The biggest issue i have with Policing in this country is the shear size of the Traffic Corp. such a waste of resources that are already stretched to the limit
policing bus lanes and covert speed traps on dual carriageways at 6:30am on a Saturday morning with little or no traffic on the roads (N3 at castleknock and the N4 at the Spa hotel are just two that I've seen) is hardly the best use of limited Gardai and should be privatised IMO
Its not just with this lot that the Gardai fall down on, the majority of people have examples of how inept they are. My own one was when I was 16 and I came home to find my family's house robbed. I was phoning the gaurds when my neighbour came over to me and said I had just missed them, that she saw them jumping over the back wall and had already called the gaurds, told them where they were running towards (Cal's Park in Limerick) and had been told that a squad car was on the way.
So and hour and a half past when two fat ****ing detectives rolled up and apologised for taking so long, they had been on lunch (this was 11 in the morning). So ****bag one went in, looked around, took a pile of my CDs which may or may not have been knocked by the robbers, and they left. That was the last my family heard about it in an official sense, but it took me 9 ****ing months to get my CDs back off them as they were constantly shipped off to other garda stations. I also have stories of gardai racially abusing my friend (he's Irish, but that didn't stop them), just not bothering to do anything and even telling my friend they weren't going to do anything (in a situation where they clearly could have done something), and even threatening to arrest my friend for complaining about them not doing anything.
My most recent garda mishap was on Patricks St. in Cork a few saturdays ago when myself and two friends saw a crowd gathered around a man outside McDonalds on the Grand Parade, the man had been slashed in the back of the head by some guy (the gaurds actually caught him). We could see blood flowing from the back of this man's head, he was of Indian descent, but his face had turned ghostly white, and it was obvious he was in a bad way. My friend Paul, who has first aid experience, asked one of the gaurds to put pressure on the back of the mans head to stem the flow of blood, and what did he get for this? He was told 'stand the **** back or else he'll be arrested too'. A few minutes past with the morons in yellow looking around aimlessly when my friend approached again and again asked them to put pressure on the wound until the ambulance arrived. At this the same gaurd got in his face and said 'didn't I tell you to **** off', before glowering at my friend as he walked away.
So I'm sorry if you or some family and friends are gardai, but I genuinely have nothing but contempt for each and everyone of them
My cousin is a rookie guard and he'd be the first to agree with you
the one's who've been on the force for years are in a comfort zone much like all civil servants
That clown Lenihan has just been on the radio using this incident as further fodder in his determination to restrict the availability of alcohol and increase it's off sale price. Nothing to do with him and his party being largely bankrolled by the publicans of course.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
I worked in a off licence in one of the rougher areas of limerick so we costantly had to call the cops. One day we where getting our daily robbing from the same scum bag i caught him and held him in the shop the cops where rang and after half an hour of fighting with this guy getting a can across the head a few attempted head butts i said screw this and just threw him out the door. The cops arrived a day later !!!!!!! What good is that ,we gave them the video and i was the one that got warned for being too rough with him. All they did to him was go up to the house told him dont go near that shop again . Half an hour later he came down and kicked in the front window because we ratted him out !!
When the guys you are scrapping with every day start getting locked up for having AK47's its time to move job.
Lads scum are scum, I really don't think our own are any worse than any other major cities. The main difference being that in those other places they've all been shipped off to the suburbs, the sort of places we don't tend to see when we visit.
That said I experienced an awful feeling of deep pity and a certain shame on hearing the second lad had died aswell. How horrible that the two poor victims had to encounter something so despicable and incomprehensible in my own town. God love their families. R.I.P.
And you ask me to help you??!! Man is evil!!!! Capable of nothing but destruction!
Im getting feb up with people blamming the drink or the drugs or some other reason they are just scum bags drink doesnt make a normal person a dirt ball after a few pints.
The joe duffy show has a bee in its bonet about below cost booze in supermarkets now so its only a matter of time before the goverment ban that.
As if people never got drunk in pubs before
ahh nothing like a good old generalisation not backed up with facts. All Civil Servants you say, do you include teachers or nurses in that too or is it just strictly civil servants who work in the Government Depts. Does that also cover the professional grads too or is it just people in the admin grades. Come on be specific and use examples of where all civil servants are in the comfort zone.
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"each and everyone of them"
Jebus, you can't condemn a large group of people, the vast, vast majority of whom you've never met, based on the action of a select few you've seen in action. You can't say they are representative of the rest.
Your statement would only make sense if all Gardai were following the same credo, or had the same belief, and the belief itself was the problem (your statement would be fine regarding members of the Nazi party, for example, as the main tenet itself was abhorrent). But this is not the case with the Gardai. There is no shocking common belief to allow you make such a generalisation.
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