Fines for flares and smoke canisters

**celticV3** · 04/04/2008, 3:52 PM

After the weekend was just wondering, are we the only league where fines are implemented for stuff such as flares and smoke canisters? you never here of italian teams getting fined and they are used week in week out, and just at the weekend celtic let off a few smoke bombs and there has been no sanctions at all not even talk of any fines. so why in a smaller league where uefa are less likely to be paying attention are we getting fines of �1000 for pyro being let off?

we have been told by the F.A.I that they cannot do anything about it because it is under uefa's rules, but it seems to be a case that the F.A.I get the payment of the fines and instead of it being used to further the league it is going towards their own wages. just a shame that instead of trying to help the league they are implementing these fines because they can rather than show leniancy like other leagues seem to do

**superfrank** · 04/04/2008, 3:54 PM

They clearly are trying to clamp down on the activity in the league and fining the clubs works best, they fell.

€1000 will hurt an el club a lot more than the likes of Italian, Scottish or other continetal clubs. This is probably why these cubs aren't fined on the continent as the leagues know it won't do much damage.

**sligoman** · 04/04/2008, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by celticV3

so why in a smaller league where uefa are less likely to be paying attention are we getting fines of €1000 for pyro being let off?

You've probably answered yer own question there, the FAI probably think they can fine so high because Uefa aren't monitoring so closely.

**celticV3** · 04/04/2008, 4:08 PM

thing is that clubs like lyon and rangers are getting fined for stuff that is in the media spotlight a lot more and can do a lot more damage and are not getting fined that much more than EL teams. it terrible on the part of the F.A.I that they are trying to cripple the league like this. i know it is the fans that are doing it but it should be in part with the club rather than behind the back of the clubs.

**neutrino** · 04/04/2008, 9:54 PM

The fines for big clubs are pitiful so it's not going the make the news at all. These clubs probably are being fined but sure what's a few grand to a multi-million business.

Flares, Smoke bombs etc etc cannot be used becuase it's a law made by Government which outlaws these. Simple as that.

**deecay** · 04/04/2008, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by neutrino

Flares, Smoke bombs etc etc cannot be used becuase it's a law made by Government which outlaws these. Simple as that.

The goverment,those capitalist shower are a joke.Laws are they to be broke,but we cannot afford these fines

**twowheelsonly** · 04/04/2008, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by neutrino

The fines for big clubs are pitiful so it's not going the make the news at all. These clubs probably are being fined but sure what's a few grand to a multi-million business.

Flares, Smoke bombs etc etc cannot be used becuase it's a law made by Government which outlaws these. Simple as that.

Anybody know what that law is/states exactly?

Flares and smokebombs are not actually illegal here in themselves but what is the actual law governing their use?

**Nesta99** · 04/04/2008, 11:43 PM

It has somthing to do with them being distress signals eg hillwalkers often carry canisters/flares in the event of needing rescue. So it is illegal so set off items or do anthing that could be considered abuse of these signals. Obviously in the context of a football match the rescue helicopter is hardly going to be dispatched for a flare/roman candle. But that is how they feature in law im led to believe.

**eamo1** · 04/04/2008, 11:47 PM

I hate that they banned flares in E.L grounds.I use to love seeing a few of them going off at once after a goal being scored.I seen a few weeks ago Chelsea were fined �3,000 for failing to control their players.�3,000 to Chelsea is the spare change in Ambromichs back pocket after a night on the town.Fines for E.L clubs are definatly wayyyyy over the top relatively speaking.

**dcfcsteve** · 05/04/2008, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by celticV3

After the weekend was just wondering, are we the only league where fines are implemented for stuff such as flares and smoke canisters? you never here of italian teams getting fined and they are used week in week out, and just at the weekend celtic let off a few smoke bombs and there has been no sanctions at all not even talk of any fines. so why in a smaller league where uefa are less likely to be paying attention are we getting fines of �1000 for pyro being let off?

The Italian league barely fines for match fixing, major crowd trouble and murder, so It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't fine for flares !

We shouldn't compare ourselves to Italy for anything. Their league is heading the way English football was by the mid 1980's..

**HarpoJoyce** · 05/04/2008, 3:21 AM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

The Italian league barely fines for match fixing, major crowd trouble and murder, so It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't fine for flares !

We shouldn't compare ourselves to Italy for anything. Their league is heading the way English football was by the mid 1980's..

Well, apparently LoI supporters hang on the coat-tails of the Italian League. UEFA/EUFA does punish the Italian League for crowd misbehaviour. They prohibit fans from attending games or exclude stadiums from being used.
Internazionale FC and the Stadio Giuseppe Meazza
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/news/kind=1/newsid=120.html

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/k...id=677788.html
Over 6 grand for one incident.

New Italian (that's in Italy) laws on stadium behaviour
http://www.uefa.com/footballeurope/n...id=504847.html
"Tough times for the Italian FA (�FIGC)Italy passes anti-hooligan laws
Wednesday, 7 February 2007by Paolo Menicucci
from Milan..
The Italian government has introduced new legislation aimed at combating football-related violence following the death of a police officer outside a stadium in Sicily last Friday........
...No fireworks
Another measure introduced was to make the punishment for resisting arrest a prison sentence of five-15 years. In addition, any game played in February has to take place in the afternoon, while it will be a criminal offence for fans to be in possession of fireworks or flares within 24 hours of a match, as well as at the stadium."

Press release from UEFA/EUFA on Stadium safety
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/keytopics/k...id=309503.html
please note UEFA/EUFA invited media representatives to attend. If your local media representative (print, radio, TV, internet etc..) continue to criticise the arrangements at matches. The question did they attend this conference in Tallinn, Estonia arises. If not, why not?

Its pretty clear UEFA/EUFA hammer clubs far more severely than the FAI. If fans latch on to the SERIE A and the Azzurri (FIGC) then complying with the Italians own simple laws, will help LoI clubs from suffering domestically.

**Dazzy** · 05/04/2008, 3:48 AM

Well P.S.G pay 30,000 at the start of a season to cover the fine for flares. They are banned in every country and by UEFA and FIFA. Get over it, its not gonna change.

**half_full** · 05/04/2008, 7:53 AM

The FAI want to create a premiership type atmosphere in this country, hence the crackdown on till roll, smoke, flares. Some people on here seem to think thats a good thing

**celticV3** · 05/04/2008, 3:07 PM

i know they are illegal and not holding my breath on that changing in the football grounds, but what i was saying is the F.A.I seem to make sure that no flares or the likes go un-noticed so they can rake in the money from the fines and say that it is all up to UEFA. i think it's a shame the organisation that is meant to be furthering the league is cashing in at every oppurtunity they can it seems

**Stevo Da Gull** · 05/04/2008, 5:17 PM

Call me a cynic but I think it's all about getting as much money as possible back out of the clubs.

**grounded** · 06/04/2008, 12:42 PM

There's been a major crackdown on flares and smoke in the Italian league especially after the policeman dying. Some of my mates will travel to Pisa on the 26th of April for their game against Chievo and had to provide full names and dates of birth to get tickets. That shows you which direction Italian football is heading.

Personally I think flares and smoke should be allowed under supervision. Kickers Offenbach in Germany used to have a special stand for people interested in that sort of thing. They even used to have a picture of that stand with many flares lid as a background picture on their tickets.

Shame the FAI or other governing bodies can't see how this could add to the athmosphere.

Aberdeen I believe used a smoke maschine this season which was agreed with by the club so here's hoping

**Poor Student** · 06/04/2008, 1:53 PM

What has smoke got to do with atmosphere? It's only irritating and temporarily obstructs view of the match.

**deecay** · 06/04/2008, 1:59 PM

Originally Posted by Poor Student

What has smoke got to do with atmosphere? It's only irritating and temporarily obstructs view of the match.

Thats a thing ive noticed about UCD fans,ye havent experienced the rush of using pyro and from the outside in ye would'nt understand.We have'nt done it on the scale of other bigger groups but we still know whats its like