QuoteAs Chair of the Membership Advisory Board I'm only too happy to help.Originally Posted by Gather round
OK Gavin, consider my amazement temporarily suspended
OK Gavin, consider my amazement temporarily suspended
As Chair of the Membership Advisory Board I'm only too happy to help.OK Gavin, consider my amazement temporarily suspended
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Surely you are not having a little hissy fit
Take my polite suggestion in the spirit it was suggested, for the purposes of discussion.
The tedious bit for me is after trying to figure out who wrote what in your posts, is if I wanted to reply to your answer in normal board discussion format. Then it comes into one big indecipherible pile of text, I have to search and delete irrelevant stuff.
This is the system tried and tested here and most everybody follows it. You persisted in doing what suits you even after being asked.
This is the nonsensical bit I was referring to
I see now it refers to two quotes, one from I don't know where and the other was a reply to something you were asking, you wroteI'm afraid you'll have to explain these gnomic asides to me...
"We are each, in our own way, unique"
"We are talking about it, not brushing it under the old carpet"
"Whats the Problem?"
I wrote "We are talking about it, not brushing it under the old carpet"
as in, there is no problem, we are discussing it.
Not at all. The irritability and childishness is coming largely from you. You sulk like a big baby when snide comments are thrown back at you.Either you are just out to wind up, in which case you can hardly complain when others do it. Or you are genuinely upset that we don't want to give up our team just so yours can ship less than five against Cyprus. If so, diddums. Call us back when there's a united Ireland, eh?
Poor you. But what's the problem, I've edited it?
See above. Sorry I didn't respond instantaneously, I didn't realise you had dictatorial rights on this site
You should know where, since you wrote it in reply to me barely two hours ago. Since I wasn't brushing anything under the carpet, but merely saying that despite having lived in the RoI and Germany, I felt no national identity with either, your reply makes no sense.
Last edited by Gather round; 07/04/2008 at 2:17 PM.
In 'The boys in green' (1997), Sean Ryan talked about an All-Ireland team being 'the dream of every genuine Irish football fan.' Maybe it is tragic that the split wasn't resolved when there was a real chance for reconciliation in the '50s. However, this particular utopia belongs with an older generation, hence Giles and O'Neill supporting it. Being born in 1984, I've only known Northern Ireland and their players as bitter and emotive rivals throughout several qualification campaigns - and distinctly separate from, and alien to the team I've supported and loved from a very young age. I can understand that NI's supporters would feel the same way about us.
Last edited by Supreme feet; 07/04/2008 at 5:55 PM.
Id agree with the Sean Ryan quote, but I would'nt agree its a utopia which belongs to an older generation. The dogs on the street know it would be better to have an all ireland team. Its called synergy (2+2=5)
I would also agree with your opinon of supporters of the NI football team, by reading some of the crap that their supporters post on here it is no wonder our crowd in the north would'nt touch them with a barge pole!!
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Obviously the problem existed before you edited it. Thank you. It was making everybody else out to be very bold indeed.
So it is a hissy fit.See above. Sorry I didn't respond instantaneously, I didn't realise you had dictatorial rights on this site
If you have any genuine grievance about the tone of my replies please report them to the mod. But I'd assume their eyes are watching.
I can try and answer the earlier quote you asked about.You should know where, since you wrote it in reply to me barely two hours ago. Since I wasn't brushing anything under the carpet, but merely saying that despite having lived in the RoI and Germany, I felt no national identity with either, your reply makes no sense.
Usually a person quotes the matter at hand in their first reply. Then it´s easy to see the context if any, easy to answer.
If you quote some line at random from an earlier post and mix it in with a quote from hours later and ask a question - what does it mean -, then it makes no sense.
The each one is unique was when I asked you to "quote" when replying
You would have one reply answering up to 4 different posters with no reference as to who wrote what. Therefore I wrote, each one of us is unique - use the quote function.
But then poor me, I don't have the time to keep backtracking through to find who wrote what
ffs...will you just pm the lad all this. nobody else cares about what format he posts in. I doubt even you would care if he hadnt handed you your backside on a plate re the topic in hand.
Glad we cleared up the typeface issue, G. I've no "grievance" nor need to involve the mods- although, as others say above, it's likely they'll lock the thread. There's little room for compromise on this one, little new in the debate, etc.
Did/ does he think NI fans are not genuinely fans nor Irish? As above, it's either a wind-up or deluded.
I'd agree it can change over time. For instance, in 1993, I was actually happy enough with the 1-1 draw at Windsor that allowed you to qualify, although I'd have been annoyed had you won the game. And now that you have effectively consolidated as a third-ranked team, we can genuinely consider you as a rival. That wasn't possible when we were struggling to fifth in 2004, 2002 and 1998 while you were challenging to qualify.
The NI youth players declaring for RoI is likely to cause friction awhile, though I'm personally relaxed about it.
Woof. What does 2+5 equal? If I were you I'd concentrate on beating half of Cyprus and not needing a broken stopwatch to see off Syn marinergy.
Er...the whole point of the thread is that you do want to touch us with a barge pole...
No, the whole point of this thread is that some of your former players like the idea of an all Ireland team.
Aye, a feeling shared by many of the contributors to the thread- including the one I was replying to.
Indeed, but the point of the thread was to discuss comments made by Martin O'Neill regarding the prospect rather then a random suggestion from an ROI fan or fans as you imply.
By the way, did anyone see the piece on the reunion of the team on Monday Night Football last night on RTE. Some great footage of the match along with interviews with the Ireland players and the Brazil team (their 1970 team were over in England last week for some football fair and RTE sent a camera crew over). It's well worth looking up on RTE.ie if anyone missed it.
D9-69er: I don't think it matters whether some random poster raised the subject, or that a European cup winner did. The thread is about/ made up largely of people saying it would be a great idea, and the responses to that.
[Well, I'm glad I managed to get back to this thread before it was locked(!); in the meantime, I agree totally with Gather Round's earlier responses.]
Of course, GR is correct to characterise the "debate" as he does - ie. essentially ROI fans saying it would be great etc., in response to the comments of two ex-players (who themselves can hardly be said to be representative of all former, or current, NI players, never mind the wider NI football family)
So why won't so many of those who would combine the two teams acknowledge that we think differently? Have we no right to object? To be a truly "united" team, it would take both parties to agree willingly and such agreement is simply nowhere on the horizon.
After all, it cannot be a "love match" when so many (90%+) of the NI fanbase are implacably opposed to the idea.
There is no possibility of an "arranged marriage" when at least one of the parents (IFA) has no interest.
It cannot ever be a "forced marriage", since the authorities (FIFA) would never accept that.
"So face up to it, darling. You're a lovely girl and many's another would be happy to have you, but it's just not working for us, is it? Why not just continue our separate ways before we start to hate each other? I'm sure you'll find someone else who'll make you happy. Oh and by the way, the record collection is mine, though you can keep Darron Gibson's Debut Album..."
Last edited by EalingGreen; 08/04/2008 at 11:17 AM.
Is it the radio sports show on this list
Rte Shams V Brazil?
Who was doing the commentary of the game?
How many times does Hamilton say 'special'?
He said more or less that an all Ireland league would be a progressive step for football on the Island. That these days more good footballers are not going abroad and we should have the best League to develop them.
Nah, it's actually on the TV show from last night on the same link, about halfway through. Jimmy Magee did the piece which wasn't ideal but it was still pretty good. Just click on the media player link for MNS 7th April and the link to that segment should come up in a seperate window.
True, but if an AIL should come about, how/why would that lead to a "United Ireland team" (the subject of this thread)?
Can't download the Interview, but is it possible that with fewer opportunities in England/Scotland for middle-ranking Irish players (both LOI and IL), due to the huge influx of players to those countries from all over the world, that earning a decent wage in a small pond at home is more attractive than going across the water and taking your chance in the (more competitive) big pond?
That's it, thanks.
Nice that Giles got paid that high respect, even 35 years later from the Brazilian.
EalingGreenI don't think the two are inextricably connected. The two federations can have their representative teams and the leading clubs can compete together in a competitive premier league. I'd presume that this would need to written in blood for IL fans.True, but if an AIL should come about, how/why would that lead to a "United Ireland team" (the subject of this thread)?
There was thread discussing the issue in the LOI section, but I lost interest when it degenerated into pages disputing the city boundaries of Derry.
You just click on the link and it plays in your browserCan't download the Interview
That's it, in a larger nutshellbut is it possible that with fewer opportunities in England/Scotland for middle-ranking Irish players (both LOI and IL), due to the huge influx of players to those countries from all over the world, that earning a decent wage in a small pond at home is more attractive than going across the water and taking your chance in the (more competitive) big pond?
Last edited by dahamsta; 04/06/2008 at 9:55 AM.
This would be the only way the necessary majority of IL clubs would ever agree to an AIL.
Can you blame us if we were no longer prepared to rely on a "Gentlemens' Agreement" with the FAI?EalingGreen
I'd presume that this would need to written in blood for IL fans.
There's no sporting justification for an united Ireland team. Bar one or maybe two exceptions, the current NI squad of players would only marginally improve our squad.
Off the field, an united Ireland team would only serve to create "problems" (to put it mildly) and as such it's not something I would lend my support to.
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