Spillage has been outdone

**pineapple stu** · 16/07/2003, 7:49 PM

Originally posted by Schumi
But no clubs wanted a 'licence' the last time there was a spot available in the 1st. As I remember, Kildare had to be persuaded to enter the 1st division.

Wonder how much of that is due to there being only one way to leave the eL - i.e. bankruptcy?

If no clubs want to come in, the play-off isn't played and the bottom of the First Division keep their place by default.

@ndy · 17/07/2003, 11:31 AM

Yeah, I agree, scrap the league.

**Macy** · 17/07/2003, 1:06 PM

Originally posted by pete
Teams such as Limerick, Monaghan & Dublin City bring little to the league in the current guise. Athlone & Kilkenny to a lesser extent.

Hmmm kinda split on this one - 5/6 ago you could've added Longford to that list as well.....

Having said that, the fact that there is no relegation means that teams can basically write off entire seasons (as Kilkenny, Dundalk, Athlone are) to re-build their squads - they're not even really attempting to be competitive....

**niamh** · 18/07/2003, 11:14 AM

Like the Drogs did the season before they were promoted...
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I think the league will always be fighting the barstoolers when it comes to the eL.
Most of them have the idea it is crap and are not willing to even give it a chance. How do you start to compete with that mindset?
As for the league as Bernstein believed and as mentioned here the clubs have to make themselves better.
Who else is going to help - the FAI?

**Cityace** · 20/07/2003, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by niamh
Most of them have the idea it is crap and are not willing to even give it a chance. How do you start to compete with that mindset?

First of all you stop the F.A.I. messin about with fixture's for friendlies, then you get rid of Toole's like Dunphy and his anti-E.L. ways.Get our own IRISH channels to stop making hype about english games.

Sounds like alot but it isn't really.

**Troy.McClure** · 20/07/2003, 3:25 PM

Originally posted by Cityace
First of all you stop the F.A.I. messin about with fixture's for friendlies, then you get rid of Toole's like Dunphy and his anti-E.L. ways.Get our own IRISH channels to stop making hype about english games.

Sounds like alot but it isn't really.

I cant really see how changing a few freindly matches or getting rid of a tv commentator (who used to be an eL coach) will really make things better?

Something needs to be done about the team that comes bottom of the 1st division but relegating them to a SL would only fold the club and the team that would take their place would struggle as well and prob finish last in theis first season.

AFIK Schumi I think that Mulingar tried to get a team into the 1st division the last time but Kildare unexpectadly piped them.

**pineapple stu** · 20/07/2003, 3:33 PM

Anyone know what exactly re-election entails?

**Cityace** · 20/07/2003, 5:21 PM

Originally posted by Troy.McClure
I cant really see how changing a few freindly matches or getting rid of a tv commentator (who used to be an eL coach) will really make things better?

Something needs to be done about the team that comes bottom of the 1st division but relegating them to a SL would only fold the club and the team that would take their place would struggle as well and prob finish last in theis first season.

AFIK Schumi I think that Mulingar tried to get a team into the 1st division the last time but Kildare unexpectadly piped them.

It will stop giving barstoolers something to laugh about.(if we get them to have any kind of respect for the league it's a huge step.)
I dont care if he was the creator of the el, the way he carries on now is disgraceful.

**Schumi** · 21/07/2003, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by pineapple stu
Anyone know what exactly re-election entails?

Seems to be along these lines:

Crap club - Can we stay in the league next season?
Eircom League - Alright then.

**Troy.McClure** · 21/07/2003, 3:03 PM

Originally posted by Cityace
It will stop giving barstoolers something to laugh about.(if we get them to have any kind of respect for the league it's a huge step.)
I dont care if he was the creator of the el, the way he carries on now is disgraceful.

I think that standards will have to improve before barstoolers will ever shut up, and its up to the clubs themselves to work together and have some initiative to do this, just as Bernstien pointed out.

RE Dumphy, WTF? Ive never heard him say anything I didnt think was true about the eL (or at least the 1st division- which is what we are on about here), and its not like he ever harps on about the eL anyway.

**wiseman** · 22/07/2003, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by �anna
the 1st div in its current format is a graveyard. I think we need a 12 or 14 team premier with two regional 1st divs (north and south) with say one team from each being promoted. that would make things more national and more competitive

Unfortunately that suggestion falls down if both teams to be relegated come from the same region. What do you do then? If for arguements sake both Limerick and Queenstown are relegated which one has t play in the northern region?

I didn't read the article in question but it seems that there has been more positive suggestions made in this thread than in the article.

**Schumi** · 22/07/2003, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by wiseman
Unfortunately that suggestion falls down if both teams to be relegated come from the same region. What do you do then? If for arguements sake both Limerick and Queenstown are relegated which one has t play in the northern region?

Neither, move Athlone (or someone else near the dividing line) into the northern section.