Inthe Echo today by Dave somethingorother who reckons we should just scrap the whole league.......... Muppet.Have a read lads it's class,it must be contagious I'd say.
It's all just a bunch of Tree-Hugging hippy crap.
any chance someone could post (at least the bones of) this up for me, the echo website is appaling and i've no chance of seeing it in the states. just want to be well informed as to what was in the article when i send my letter of complaint
not the first person to do this by the way, george (rugby) hook came out with similar rubbish in the sunday indo a while back calling for the league to be scrapped as it was "a noose about the neck of the FAI".
I'd say there are a lot of barstoolers out there who agree with them, that is until they find out that Ireland would be kicked out of UEFA for not having our own league, our national team would cease to exisit.
Muppets, they know nothing about football, if they bothered their arse to do some research they'd change their tune, sure they wouldnt be able to sing Olé Olé every four years if we had no national team.
Oh no not them again
You're dead right.Twas un-informed nonsense.I'm not gonna post half it cos I dont have that sorta time to waste what I will say is that basically he had a pop at the 1st div said it was a waste of time,and to a lesser extent so is the prem,also Limerick's plight was completely there own fault and we should just let 'em rot to death.He had a go at the whole thing while providing no viable alternative,he basically had a rant.Knobhead.
It's all just a bunch of Tree-Hugging hippy crap.
you get this every 4 mnths or so or on "slow news days"
"the league of ireland - I'm a controversial and highly opinionated young columnist and I hilariously believe it should be scrapped all together. Whaddya think about that? Look at me aint I the highly opinionated and controversial one, ha? I'm buckin delighted with myself and my forthright opinions! where else would ya gettit ha? I'm the last of the true originals."
the above is just re-hashed every time by some fool who normally gets the "left of centre" opinion space in the rags
i realise that it's just some moron having a rant, and you make a valid point wws, but it's best not to ignore this.
it's hard enough to get the league on the up without idiots like this making idiotic arguments against the league. how many of the barstool brigade (who we need to get into the grounds) will read this and agree without hearing the alternate opinion.
the echo does business in limerick, some of the limerick boys should get onto them and complain.....
Lads, the sh*te about scrapping the league was all balls allright, but he did make some valid points.
The basic idea of the article was that radical changes need to be made and the league treated as a business. A start has been made, with summer soccer, but a lot needs to be done.
The point about Bohs and $hels sharing a ground is a good one,
especially with the poor crowds they get.
Why couldn't Pats and Rovers do the same, and both put money into one really good ground?
"A league in which half the participants in the top flight at any given time are from one city should not be described as national"
It's hard to argue with that.
As for "Nobody with a criminal record should be allowed to serve in an executive position and be the public face of the club"...well I'd reckon a lot of people would support that !
We are fans of the league, but he is right in saying that Limerick, and Drogs last year, are in a perilous financial state because not enough people in either place are really interested.
It was a bit of a rant, but there were some points made whuch made be hard to take, but which must be faced up to.
Maybe the reform of the FAI will help, but we cannot go on the way we are going.
To be honest I thought the guy had a point, and put it across well. I don't agree with a lot of what he said, but what he did do was to articulate the attitude of many people who don't go to eL games but with a level of understanding and sympathy towards those who do. His main point that the league needs to stop feeling sorry for itself and get off its @rse if it wants to succeed is spot on IMO
thought he made some valid points! he said he thought Ireland is only big enough to have 1 league, basically scrap the 1st division! Maybe a bigger premier division would be the answer to this, it would give the league a bigger national spread as well!
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To be honest, it thought it was very opportunistic. You could apply the same apathy to a number of different sports/activities up and down the country. While the guy did band a few facts around throughout, they were all in his favour. There was alot of word play there.
I pity the punters reading it that dont support the league as the guy has painted a very misleading picture of the league. You'd swear someone has their finger on the big red button and any moment now it was all going to blow.
As with anything, it is very easy to sit back and critise and throw stones from the fence. He didn't put anything forward barr we should all pack our bags and go, leave it to the ManU's of the world. He was trying to be malicious and score some points.
That article is a product of all the "rhetoric" that we all have to endure from all the media, day in day out. Why does it bother them all so much. Why does this guy worry so much about us .... i dont think anyone in the league wants his "positivity" and to be honest he was trying to preach to the converted. Sod him !!
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Good points there face.My Original point was that he just had a go at the whole thing,which is fair enough,but if you're not presenting an alternatvie which he didnt do, then you're just having a rant.There's a time and a place for that(Foot.ie) not in a newspaper.I agree the Limerick lads should have summat to say about this. Also he just wrote of the biggest positive thing that has happened the league I.E. Summer Soccer as a picemeal change,well what does he suggest then??BTW if we had a single division League with no relegation IMO the League would rot and die very Quickly.
It's all just a bunch of Tree-Hugging hippy crap.
Firstly writting those "controversial" articles could hardly be called journalism as anyone could do it by picking a target at random.
I think the new Ueaf licencing scheme will improve things in the medium term as its enforced from outside the country at like the EU & irish laws.
The league moved to a 10 team Premier & people complained dispite the fact that the top league almost always had 2 pitifully low standard teams.
There seems to be little poiint to the 1st division unless its a steppings tone for progressive cluvbs to get to the Premier. At the moment maybe as much as half the 1st division clubs bring nothing to the league.
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The exact same could be said for the English first in comparison to the premier, and the French, Italian, Spainish, Dutch, German, Austrian, Danish, Swiss, Polish ....... etc etc etc.Originally posted by pete
There seems to be little poiint to the 1st division
It is a terred system and it works everywhere else (i can under stand why people write it off so quick. Some might say it is there to ensure a better standard in the premier and maybe there is truth in that but the short of it is that the first is definitely needed. (If there were a second, then maybe scrape that, but the promotion and the fear of the drop is vital for teams to progress)
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
the 1st div in its current format is a graveyard. I think we need a 12 or 14 team premier with two regional 1st divs (north and south) with say one team from each being promoted. that would make things more national and more competitive
I agree with what some of he said ie Limerick is to big a Cuty not to have a club? Why is that then? they are badly run and a boil on the arse of the league. Ditto most of the other 1st Div clubs like Mons, Dundlak, Cobh, Kilkenny. No ambition, no money, no fans, no hope, no loss.
If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
I think you need to have a First Division - the league would go down with only one division. But there needs to be promotion into it available on a regular basis. The four regional champions (MSL, LSL, USL, CSL) play-off with 10th in the First for one promotion place into it. If any team decides they don't want promotion, fair enough.
With no relegation from the First, it's far too easy to stagnate, to take far too long to dither over restructuring, etc., and the deadwood can't be eliminated from the league (e.g. St. Francis). There's a tiered system in England and Wales anyway, whereby teams can progress as far as they want to. TNS Llansantffraid came into the Welsh league this way and are now title contenders every year. AFC Wimbledon will come through in England over the coming years. The FAI needs to introduce something like that.
By the way, is it true that an association has to have a senior league to have a national team? I don't think there's any league in Liechtenstein (Vaduz play in Switzerland, and no other Liechtenstein teams play in Europe; there's not even a link on UEFA.com), but they have a team. Not saying we should get rid of the league, obviously.
Teams such as Limerick, Monaghan & Dublin City bring little to the league in the current guise. Athlone & Kilkenny to a lesser extent.
Half of the 1st division clubs would bring nothing to the Premier if promoted. Meerly surviving isn't good enough anymore.
The 1st division should be treated like so many licences available for the clubs - if you a nonparticipatory member of the 1st you are taking up a 'licence' that some other club could be using.
Thats a great idea,I'm sure teams like Rockmount would easily hold ther own in the 1st.Any league or div that doesnt have the threat of relegation eventually stagnates.As was said earlier ther is a lot of dead wood in the 1st but I think the league would be weaker without F Harps,Bray and Kildare.Originally posted by pineapple stu
I think you need to have a First Division - the league would go down with only one division. But there needs to be promotion into it available on a regular basis. The four regional champions (MSL, LSL, USL, CSL) play-off with 10th in the First for one promotion place into it. If any team decides they don't want promotion, fair enough.
It's all just a bunch of Tree-Hugging hippy crap.
Well said, there could be an AIL Cup. It's so easy be negative. Everyone should look at the situation and try make positive out comes unlike this so call jurno in the Echo.Originally posted by pineapple stu
I think you need to have a First Division - the league would go down with only one division. But there needs to be promotion into it available on a regular basis. The four regional champions (MSL, LSL, USL, CSL) play-off with 10th in the First for one promotion place into it. If any team decides they don't want promotion, fair enough.
Any condescension detected in this post is fully unintentional and is solely the perception of the reader. If I think you're an idiot, I'll tell you that. You won't need to intuit it.
But no clubs wanted a 'licence' the last time there was a spot available in the 1st. As I remember, Kildare had to be persuaded to enter the 1st division.Originally posted by pete
The 1st division should be treated like so many licences available for the clubs - if you a nonparticipatory member of the 1st you are taking up a 'licence' that some other club could be using.
We're not arrogant, we're just better.
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