QuoteNone of these played anywhere near the amount of games that JOS has played at that level.. People used to say the same about David Fairclough and OleOriginally Posted by Speakthetruth
The fact that JOS signed a contract that keeps him at MU until 2012 shows he has little ambition and is happy in his comfort zone.
SAF surely does not see him as anything other than a utility player otherwise why, since JOS had his purple patch in 2002/03, has he signed Ferdinand, Heinze - since replaced by Evra, Vidic and Pique? Even Wes Brown appears to be ahead of JOS in the pecking order and this will be confirmed if Brown is offered an improved contract. Even if Brown moves on, it is almost certain SAF will sign another defender.
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
None of these played anywhere near the amount of games that JOS has played at that level.. People used to say the same about David Fairclough and Ole
Did you see him embarrass himself again on Sunday? Way out of his depth and hasn't developed as a player due to lack of game time. You're obviously one of those blinkered Man U fans who discovered football around 1993 if you honestly think John O'Shea is anywhere near as good a player as Fairclough or Solksjaer were, truly ludicrous comparisons......
O'Shea does a job for the team when he comes in , every top team needs squad members who can come in when needed and do a competent job and he does that role to perfection , in a couple of years he might want to try playing at one of the mid ranking English clubs but for now why wouldn't he be happy where he is
If you look again at that game you will notice that Wes brown was the defender that most appeared out of his depth. Downing was destroying him in the first half. When O'Shea was put on him in the second half, Downing was quiet. I saw it myself against Middlesborough 2 seasons ago. For the first half Viduka was destorying Wes Brown. In the second half JOS was put on Viduka and he managed him quite well. Skys coverage at half time at the weekend was quite sickening. They were saying Wes was poor because he had to cover so many time for O'Shea. this was very clearly not the case
Such a complete rubbished.. I am far from Blinkered... But your bias is obvious . O'Shea is a decent footballer nothing more nothing less...
In his postion how many players would leave Man Utd , He plays lots of games as the stats show and any move from UTD is a downward move. He was off course totally to blame for Sunday .
Ref to Ole was in 1999 he was accused of having no desire to play as he was just a sub at ManU
Fairclough was a good SUB... but who did he play for after Liverpool ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Fairclough //.. Fairclough's scored his one and only Liverpool hat-trick on the 9 February 1980 during the thrilling 5-3 league victory over Norwich City at Carrow Road, the goals came in the 4th, 18th and 75th minutes, Kenny Dalglish (88th} and Jimmy Case (89th) guaranteed a late win for the Reds.
Fairclough spent another five years at Anfield in what was a golden era for the club, he was mostly out of the first team. He was a prolific scorer in the reserves, but the phenomenal partnership of Dalglish and Ian Rush rendered him surplus to first team requirements - the two main strikers also rarely were injured.
The supersub tag ultimately shrouded his number of first team starts with Liverpool - of his 153 appearances, only 61 were from the bench. He scored 55 goals, averaging a goal every 2¾ games.
David left Liverpool on the 4 July 1983 joining NASL side Toronto Blizzard, he then moved on to Swiss side FC Lucerne before returning to England to have spells with Norwich and Oldham Athletic. He plied his trade abroad once more at Belgium club Beveren returning to home shores for stints with Rochdale, Tranmere Rovers and Wigan Athletic, he ended his playing days at non-league Knowsley.
Sounds like a player in the COMFORT ZONE to me... !!!
Mind some stats say it all...... John O'Shea had a shooting accuracy of 100% and scored with 80% of his shots in the 2006-2007 season. He scored as many Premiership Goals as Chelsea's £30m record signing, former European Player of the Year, Andriy Shevchenko ...
Andriy were did it all go wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Seeing as you're obviously relatively new to the game you're probably not aware that when Fairclough played there was only one sub allowed, being in the 12 for a team like Liverpool were back then is a hell of a lot more challenging then occasionally making the 16 for Man U these days.
O'Shea is an average footballer who, while occasionally looks good and shows some nice touches, finds it incapable of concentrating for 90 minutes and is more often then not a liability. Anyone trying to argue otherwise obviously knows little about the game and hasn't watched Ireland play in the last 5 years. I'd be delighted to see him improve and become a mainstay of the Irish team but while he's getting splinters in his ar5e instead of playing regulalry that's not going to happen. It was the same with Miller, sat on the bench instead of playing games totally stalled his development.
i think you were watching a diff game than i was. not at fault for either goal utd conceeded. take the blinkers off. some on here are only dying for o'shea to slip up. really pathetic
Sorry mate but I'm not that shallow. I'd like to see him play week in week out and do well. O'Shea was poor on Sunday, can't see how you'd argue otherwise. He doesn't have to have a Switzerland / Czech Republic abberation to have a bad game. Simply not having a howler isn't enough. Laughable seeing all the Man U fans defending him, at least there's a few out there who can see through the red tinted glasses.
The most anyone of reasonably sound mind could state on here was that O'Shea was an average but versatile performer for United. I possibly wouldn't even rate him that highly but that is the most positive assessment that any sane person could attribute to his abilites as a United player.
For Ireland, however, he has been absolute tosh for nigh on the best part of 7 years now and anyone who disagrees really needs to watch him in a green shirt. Since I don't care in the slightest how he performs for United as I personally am an Ireland supporter and this is an Ireland forum I'd suggest that the fact mentioned above is the one we should be devoting our time to.
Last edited by youngirish; 09/04/2008 at 12:03 PM.
He has not been great... but has been one of our more consistant performers... Remember look at the team his played in !!! Also would we be so harsh on him if the chance in Paris had gone in... It seems that Jason McAtter is a hero for one finish ..... I think for O'Shea and some others the time is due to step up to the plate in an Irish jersey... Under Trap the focus will be the players and can they work within what he wants.....
Yeah, consitently sh1t. And his miss in Paris doesn't even come into that, errors against the Swiss and Czechs were far more costly for a start.
McAteer was so much better in an Ireland shirt then O'Shea has been so far that it's not funny. And that's allowing for some very avergae performances from McAteer. 'a hero for one finish'....
I have to wonder how long have you've watched Ireland for? Let me guess, you're a traditionally blinkered Man U fan (hence your baffling defence of O'Shea) who idolised Roy Keane and have a problem with McAteer due to his spat with his corkness? Correct?
complete overstatement. no manager will ever pick a player that consistently plays badly. fact
How about the following ;
Jeff Chandler
John Devine
Pierce O'Leary
Pat Byrne
Mick Kennedy (nutter)
Ken DeMange
Alan Kernaghan
Mick Kearns
Jerry Murphy
Are ye STILL talking about John O'Shea?
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
Help me, Arthur Murphy, you're my only hope!
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