Where are they now?

[HarpoJoyce]

dont be so sensitive harpo, what would you prefer? was he the keeper who wasn't white?

No, don't describe footballers on the colour of their skin. Which yourself and lim aboard wish to normalise.

Your own question about the Ireland longevity legend Ken de Mange
http://www.chilternwhites.co.uk/merchandise.htm
Book : Where Are They Now (Summer 2005)

Where Are They Now? Life After Leeds United is now available at www.leedswherearetheynow.co.uk.
"It's quite hard to comprehend that ex-Leeds players, many who were stars, are now basically doing some quite ordinary and even mundane jobs....
It recalls all those players you may have seen play for Leeds and possibly forgotten about. Who remembers Ken De Mange ? (now a baggage handler at Heathrow by the way). "

Review by Mark Walsh

[pineapple stu]

In fairness, was he black? If so, describe him as black. That's not racist; it's just fact.

Why label him as "the keeper"? Don't describe footballers by their position. It's every bit as discriminatory.

[HarpoJoyce]

In fairness, was he black? If so, describe him as black. That's not racist; it's just fact.

Why label him as "the keeper"? Don't describe footballers by their position. It's every bit as discriminatory.

You are the only person to use the 'R' word. As someone who abuses the institutions of Irish Football, institutions that attempt to protect individuals.
Why do you attempt to identify players by the colour of their skin?

Again I will repeat, football supporters who identify players by the colour of their skin are 'ignorant'. Once you have information regarding, position, number, style of play, era, team, height, foot etc. Use those identifiable marks. 'cos colour of skin is used in an abusive manner, once a supporter has other information to identify a player, use that information.

This is off-topic post, I was replying to an 'ignorant' post from above. My other posts on this thread remained on topic.

[pineapple stu]

Once you have information regarding, position, number, style of play, era, team, height, foot etc. Use those identifiable marks. 'cos colour of skin is used in an abusive manner

Why not use skin colour as an identifiable mark? Do you not think it's a fairly striking mark? It wasn't used in an abusive manner here, so there's no problems and it's certainly not ignorant. You're just being ridiculously over-sensitive.

[HarpoJoyce]

Why not use skin colour as an identifiable mark? Do you not think it's a fairly striking mark? It wasn't used in an abusive manner here, so there's no problems and it's certainly not ignorant. You're just being ridiculously over-sensitive.

It's very unfair , I have to re-quote what I posted previously. "'cos colour of skin is used in an abusive manner, once a supporter has other information to identify a player, use that information."

Supporters lose entitlements when there are abusive. Guess what? Supporters have been abusive in the past, they lose the mature right to describe a footballer by the colour of his skin. Tough Luck.

On Topic.
shamrock rovers used to abscond with the best of the LoI from UCD.
Paul Cullen
Gary O'Sullivan
Jason Sherlock (UCD protected him through a busy time. shamrocks took him hoping to benefit but gave him a 'sabbatical' of only a year to an RTE xtreme sports programme 1997.)
Barry Ryan (he was out of football while with shamrocks, thank god someone at Pat's brought him back in.)

[pól-dcfc]

You are the only person to use the 'R' word. As someone who abuses the institutions of Irish Football, institutions that attempt to protect individuals.
Why do you attempt to identify players by the colour of their skin?

Again I will repeat, football supporters who identify players by the colour of their skin are 'ignorant'. Once you have information regarding, position, number, style of play, era, team, height, foot etc. Use those identifiable marks. 'cos colour of skin is used in an abusive manner, once a supporter has other information to identify a player, use that information.

This is off-topic post, I was replying to an 'ignorant' post from above. My other posts on this thread remained on topic.

You're being ridiculous. There aren't many black players in the league, so a player's colour is an easy way to identify him. It's noty racist or offensive. If I was playing in the Jamaican team it'd be perfectly reasonable for fans to refer to me as the white boy - as happened during the last World Cup with Birchall playing for T&T.

PC gone mad I tells ya.

[GavinZac]

It's very unfair , I have to re-quote what I posted previously. "'cos colour of skin is used in an abusive manner, once a supporter has other information to identify a player, use that information."

Supporters lose entitlements when there are abusive. Guess what? Supporters have been abusive in the past, they lose the mature right to describe a footballer by the colour of his skin. Tough Luck.

Peter Crouch gets stick for being tall. Are we allowed to call players 'tall'? Andy Reid doesn't have your typical athlete's body. Are we allowed to call the fella for the pub team down the road 'fat'?

If someone is black, or white, they're black, or white, or a bit of both, and its rather childish to suggest that it is somehow racist to recognise someone's ethnicity. Its when you start assigning attributes or behaviours to an ethnicity that the problem starts; case in point, Ron Atkinson.

[pineapple stu]

It's very unfair , I have to re-quote what I posted previously. "'cos colour of skin is used in an abusive manner, once a supporter has other information to identify a player, use that information."

The whole point of the initial query was that there wasn't any further information.

Supporters lose entitlements when there are abusive.

You might be finding out soon enough...

[HarpoJoyce]

It doesn't suprise me that the posters most exercised about straight forward comments refuse to read previous posts properly and ask silly questions when the answer is already presented in previous posts. No suprise that some of the replies are from well established posters who believe they can write what they like without censure.

More on Topic:
Where is Zac Hackett of Longford Town (Abbeycarton) now?
did he ever make to Flancare Stadium?

[Dodge]

I think he is playing in Singapore.

Vietnam was the last I heard

[TheBoss]

Vietnam was the last I heard

Yes, your right, he is with LG ACB Hanoi

[monutdfc]

Jimmy Aggrey - last seen playing for Hartchester United in Dream Team (Seriously)
Aaron Shearer - last time I saw him playing was for Kilmacud Crokes in the Dublin County final. Think he's a solicitor.
Ken deMange - funny, a guy I met on Saturday in London knows him. Forget what he said he was doing, but think he's based in London.

[thischarmingman]

If the question quoted above relates to the players skin colour. Maybe the questionnaire with little information (ignorant) can read previous posts. Or can state that it was skin colour they were identifying the player by and no other way. Not talent, not anecdote, nor footballing strategy.

Identifying footballers by the colour of their skin is ignorant. Football supporters can call 'the ignorants' on it every time.

David Brent, is that you?

[Lim till i die]

What about the legendary Tony Izzi??

Is it true he's running a chipper in Naas??

[seand60]

Abbeyleix, I think!

[Ash]

What about the legendary Tony Izzi??

Is it true he's running a chipper in Naas??

That's his family business as far as I know

[Seagull-4-life]

Can't believe the ridiculousness of the arguement above...i'm mixed race but i wouldn't take offence (im often called "the very tanned fella" or "blackish lad")

[Bluebeard]

Can't believe the ridiculousness of the arguement above...i'm mixed race but i wouldn't take offence (im often called "the very tanned fella" or "blackish lad")

Could be worse - you could be called the "lad from Bray"

And congrats to the days second Centurion!

[osarusan]

What about the legendary Tony Izzi??

Is he that yellow striker?

[pól-dcfc]

Is he that yellow striker?