Quoteand how many of that "golden generation" went on to play at the top level anywhere (except dunne, duff and keane who more or less went straight to the seniors)?Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint
sack him
and how many of that "golden generation" went on to play at the top level anywhere (except dunne, duff and keane who more or less went straight to the seniors)?
How many of any generation do so? The percentage of youth team players who make it in the game is very low. Givens is a very poor underage manager IMO.
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the point was being alleged that givens had done nothing with that so called "golden generation" of players. my point is that they hardly went on to great things with their clubs either..... or should givens be held responsible for that also?
the bigger countrys u21s usually provide a host of players to the seniors, whether a golden generation or not. our u21s are made up of a few hopefulls and the rest dont have any chance of progressing..... thats what our u21 manager always had and always will have to work with. any decent u21 player in Ireland will more or less go straight to the seniors given our limited pool of senior players
Last edited by jbyrne; 26/03/2008 at 1:52 PM.
england beat us this year too.
He should be bundled into a sack and then beaten with the stick.
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It is beyond a joke at this stage. It seems he is almost unsackable. We are gaining absolutly nothing by having him there, and in essence we are damagin important players for our future. Looking at the team that started last night, and it was very strong IMO. Why cant he live and die on his results like every under 21 manager in the world. IMO the under 21 manager should be someone who could possibly one day take over the senior team. That wont happen with Givens so why the hell should we have to put up with him. It annoys me to quite an extent
He was not in charge for that game.
Seconded
Sack!!!!!!!!!!!
LESS OF THE BULL NOW!
Fairly damning stuff there, on a par with International powerhouses such as Albania, Armenia, Cyprus, Latvia and Moldova. The only other team that looks like they are performing below par is Switzerland, and they have 3 points more than us.
Wales have 2 more games left in their group, home and away to Romania and if the just win one they will top the group that involves France..... thats what can be achieved. Im sick of hearing that all or best players get fast tracked into the senior team so we cant compete properly. The excuses have to stop, Don Givens is adding nothing to any of our young players developments and has to go. Having just done more coaching badges though ,which held up the search for the senior manager ,there is no hope of him gettin the boot in my opinion. He is a good FAI company man that doesnt rock the boat.
I would love to see us follow Englands example in appointing a young hungry manager that wants to develope himself as well as the players he is in charge off. Some one who has ambition to get results so that he might be considered for the senior job at some stage.I would love to see us go along the lines of Kenny Cunningham, Andy Townsend or Matty Holland. They have no experience but its better than a old guy that is past it and doesnt have an ounce of ambition left, and I really dont think any manager with a decent track record would take a step down to manage an under 21 team.I also know that appointing a manager with zero experience mightnt work either, like with Staunton but he was a complete clown with what seemed to be zero football knowledge
Its really not that complicated!!!
Forgive me but he's damaging important players for the future??
Do you mean Anthony Stokes and Stephen Ireland??
Players who do not have any interest in playing for thier country and get found out an an early age?
Don's job at U21 is to give experience to young players and to liase in this manner with the senior team manager. Results at this age are irrelevant and his continued employment shoud be decided by El Trap as it is he who should ultimately decide on who he wants to be played and what style etc he wants the team to paly and then the manager should carry out his instructions.
IMO too much emphasis is put on results at a level virtually no major country takes seriously unless they are suddenly in the last 4 of a tournament.
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what makes you say that Stokes has no interest in playing for his country??
You say that results arent important but surely getting the players to perform to a good standard is very important. Theres no point in saying that he just has to give them experience.... I could do his job if that was the case, just pick the best 11 possible and send them out onto the pitch with no proper instruction. Trapattonis job is to look after the senior team and yes to liase with the under21 manager but at the end of the day its Givens that is being paid to manage that team
Its really not that complicated!!!
Didn't he have a falling out with Givens? And similarly with Keane at Sunderland? If my memory serves me correctly both took a hard line with Stokes. If you want to play for your country it's a good idea to try and stay on the right side of your manager and if you don't to make ammends at the earliest opportunity.
Yes getting the players to perform to a good standard is important but as I said it is for the senior manager to lay down what he wants to see and if Givens doesnt do as instructed he should go. Therefore the postition really should be under the control of Trap.
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Stokes missed one game and his club manager took the blame for that and said it was a misunderstanding,Givens dropped him from the next game and the lad has been in every squad since.To say he doesnt want to play for his country is a ridiculous statement
Its really not that complicated!!!
At least he's consistent !! Look at his win ratio for Xamax neuchatal here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Giv...nagerial_stats
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I stand corrected, I remember the incident now, but I also doubt the excuse given by Keane was true, and if right didnt Keane have problems with him since.
However I withdraw my remarks about him not wanting to plat for his country. To err is human to forgfive is divine...
Fair Play died Nov 18th 2009, Stade Francais.
you're forgiven.... just dont do it again
Its really not that complicated!!!
Givens Out.
- Any time I have seen U21s play they do not have shape or obvious tactics.
- Take out the Toulon tournament results & record looks even worse.
- He is not expected to beat England but I think we can expect better against Montenegro
- U15, U16 & U17 teams are performing better.
- Public fallings out with young players too often.
The one thing I fail to understand is how he has got away with only managing 1 team that has so few games at year. Sean McCaffrey takes charge of multiple teams with more games because he consistently gets into elite qualifiers.
The only reason he keeps his job is because he is a Yes man.
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