QuoteLooks like Cannavaro misses the tournament if reports are true.....huge loss.
thats not much of a tip man, at evensOriginally Posted by cartman
i think the will get out of their group, why wouldnt they, swizterland and turkey arent much, but then we will see
i think germany are certs to get to the final
Looks like Cannavaro misses the tournament if reports are true.....huge loss.
Why's that?See the papers are telling us to get behind Poland again like with WC2006
I'd take more pleasure seeing them lose then England personally,
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My bets are Holland @ 12/1 and a Holland vs Germany final @ 16/1.
I'll have a bet on the group winners aswell. If Holland come through their group of Italy, France and Romania then I think there will be no stopping them.
LESS OF THE BULL NOW!
Personally anyway i have no time for them in general anyway, they as a whole make no effort to intragate into society here and generally keep to themselves, i only know off 1 Polish who plays Junior football here, they tend to stick to making teams for the 6-a-sides(theres a number in those leagues) and 11-a-side Nighowls(inter-firm) had one team too!.
I just personally don't think we should have to support them in tournaments when they don't make an effort as whole to get involved in Irish society, so much so most of them have terrible English from there personal lives been spent entirely with fellow Poles.
I hope someone does'nt come back with the old ''your classing them all the same'' i'm not but a massive proportion have the same traits in that they keep to themselves. I don't know ONE person who has a Polish friend, but have 2 friends who have ''work'' friends from Poland but this generally would'nt go beyond work affairs!
At any rate i have nothing against them and don't care that they stick to themselves but it's creating a very dangerous problem in Ireland where we could have a class excluded from society, the amount of Anti-Polish resentment you hear around the town is ever growing. Personally though u just don't like the way we're told we should throw our weight behind them in tournaments when they to a large extent chose to live here in segregation, at least i have family in England etc....
Last edited by gilberto_eire; 03/06/2008 at 12:53 AM.
There's the right way, the wrong way.... and the Max Power way!! :-D
Wouldn't most people play Junior for the schoolboys team they'd come from? Bit different stepping into something completely unknown.
Right, so because some of them haven't got a good standard of English*, you'd take pleasure in seeing them lose?I just personally don't think we should have to support them in tournaments when they don't make an effort as whole to get involved in Irish society, so much so most of them have terrible English from there personal lives been spent entirely with fellow Poles.
I would wager the distinction is in fact, that the fault lies either with your friends or the type of acquaintances you have...I hope someone does'nt come back with the old ''your classing them all the same'' i'm not but a massive proportion have the same traits in that they keep to themselves. I don't know ONE person who has a Polish friend, but have 2 friends who have ''work'' friends from Poland but this generally would'nt go beyond work affairs!
... You see, we're both offering the same useless, baseless suppositions. You also differentiate "friends" and "work friends" which is a bit ridiculous as you're hardly likely to grow up next door to a future Polish migrant and just as unlikely to be best of chums from ****ing about college together. What are they supposed to do? Knock on your door and hope you're not some Libertas nutter about to accuse them of stealing your job?
Regardless, if you think a generalised kind of "keeping to themselves" over the last 3 or 4 years is a reason to dislike the national team more so than a local rival representative of an oppressive empire which kept us under their thumb for 800 years, then I guess you are a... well, no. I won't go on. There's another thread for that sort of thing, isn't there?
* (Which is hilarious, given the number of basic English language mistakes you've made in this post. I've taken the liberty of emboldening your mistakes, should you like to reflect upon your statement. I've also underlined a few things to think about. As chair of the MAB I feel it my duty.)
Last edited by GavinZac; 03/06/2008 at 1:13 AM.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
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"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Well firstly the Englsih who oppressed us for ''800 years'' were'nt actaully here for 800 years so off back to history class with ya, or maybe they were here until the 1970's without my knowledge??!!
You don't know much about Under-age/Junior football do you?, unless you come from a rural area it's unlikely that you would have played for the same club throughout your life, firstly because the club might'nt have both an under-age and junior structure and secondly because, well some of us don't live in the same area our whole lives, ormight'nt get along with the current manager.
I never noticed a sign on the door of a junior club sayinng that unless you played there your whole life that you were'nt welcome. I know of Spanish, Italian, English(etc...) lads who joined clubs but not any Polish bar a Salthill Devon player
You also state that because they kept to themselves for 3/4 years it's a bad excuse not to support their national team but point to the fact it's ok to oppose the English team for events long passing most of our life times, grow up!!.
Also i think most would agree that a ''work friend'' and a ''friend'' are two VERY differant things, a work friend would be someone you get on well with in work but would'nt socialise with outside of work because you generally don't have much in common, that is why they remain a ''work friend'' and don't become a ''friend''
You also try to point out about how else would you become friends bar work, there are many other ways you can get to know people bar just work, clubs or organistaions, places you may frequent etc....
Also there's a differance between been able to communicate within the country you live and making common spelling mistakes!!
Anyone who lives in a city would agree the Poles have been the least reluctant to intergate into society here, and for that i don't think it should always come up in the media that we should support them on the basis of there been a large contingent here, i'd rather support a country where millions of Irish have moved too and worked and found for themselves a new home!
Quite sad that you have to try get your point across by pointing out spelling mistakes
There's the right way, the wrong way.... and the Max Power way!! :-D
Oh you're having me on Gill, surely no manager could find fault with yourself? You march right back to them and say "hey! well, at least I intergated!".
I never suggested opposing the English team was a good idea. Its quite daft, and for most people, quite hypocritical. However, the "local rival" factor would surely be a better reason than whatever twaddle you've concocted?You also state that because they kept to themselves for 3/4 years it's a bad excuse not to support their national team but point to the fact it's ok to oppose the English team for events long passing most of our life times
So Polish people don't become friends with Irish people because they don't have much in common? Or is it vice versa? Do you regularly become friends with Irish people who you don't have much in common with? Why not? What's your problem? Intragate, gilberto. It's rude not to.Also i think most would agree that a ''work friend'' and a ''friend'' are two VERY differant things, a work friend would be someone you get on well with in work but would'nt socialise with outside of work because you generally don't have much in common, that is why they remain a ''work friend'' and don't become a ''friend''
Any specifics there? Apart from the apparent lack of Slavs on your junior club team, do you notice a distinct lack of Polski at your local Curves? Perhaps there are very few of them down the local GAA club. Who knows, maybe there's some down the shop waiting to make friends with people who frequent there?You also try to point out about how else would you become friends bar work, there are many other ways you can get to know people bar just work, clubs or organistaions, places you may frequent etc....
Do you live in a city? I do. I was under the impression that you're from Galway.Anyone who lives in a city
Ooooh you nearly had the word there that time, give it one more go!would agree the Poles have been the least reluctant to intergateNaturally, of course, I would disagree. It depends on what you mean by integrate. My Polish neighbours say hello, close the door if I leave it open, give a hand with the fire alarm if its gone off... and I only live here 4 days! They shop in the same shops I do, they seem to listen to the same music I do, and generally dress at the upper end of the scale in terms of Irish fashions. If you mean do they come in town with me and get ****ed, no, not yet anyway. Granted that is probably more to do with our own little closed circle with all its in jokes and mannerisms, and I haven't exactly gone next door to invite them but you're right. Damn foreigners!into society here
Yes. One's reasonably understandable, the other's reasonably inexcusable. You also have to perhaps consider that if you (ironically) can't spell the word which is the entire point of your post, you may be better off making the effort to integrate with the rest of us by running your post through a spell checker.Also there's a differance between been able to communicate within the country you live and making common spelling mistakes!!
Yes it is quite sad that I have to try to get my point across by pointing our your spelling mistakes. I wish there were an easier way but a long winded description of how, if you speak as you write, I would have a pretty difficult time intergating with you too would probably be lost on you and perhaps cause offence to my western brethren of more transparent fluency.Quite sad that you have to try get your point across by pointing out spelling mistakes
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
You need a hyphen there.
"long, winding" would also have been acceptableYou need a hyphen there.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Agreed. That would be my general view of them as well. It's not just restricted to them though. It was our electorate which allowed them to come here, via Nice, where in many countries they were shown the door, and they are very reluctant to integrate with locals.
I will be strictly neutral regarding the tournament. With England already out, we here can watch it in peace.
In fairness, that's not their fault. It's a parochial sport, the selectors want Paddy's and Micheal's instead of Pavel's and Mikhail's in the team.
I would have a pretty difficult time intergating with you too would probably be lost on you and perhaps cause offence to my western brethren of more transparent fluency.
Last edited by mypost; 03/06/2008 at 4:09 AM.
Fancy qualifying that at all?and they are very reluctant to integrate with locals.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
2-1 Czechs. Koller & Fenin
Bad news for Italy
That's going to shake up their defence a bit.
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Could well be. If Bruckner plays him. He's under a lot of media pressure over here to drop Baros and start Fenin. Baros was benched for recent Scotland friendly, hopefully he stays there
Without Rosicky I'm tipping Switzerland to pip the Czech's and get out of group A at their expense.
How good are Romania? They got 4 points against the Dutch but I've seen little of them except highlights. Could they surprise the other 3 teams in the group of death?
Without Cannavaro Italy's defence doesnt look nearly as assured. The back four will now probable be Pannucci Matterazi Barzagli Zambrotta which isn't very strong at all. It'll be a big ask of Gattuso to protect the frailty of that back four. I've a feeling Italy could collapse. Romania and Holland to progress
A cagey one most likely.
1-0 to the Czechs (though I don't expect either team will impress much).
I certainly didn't panic in 06 as they still had Cannavaro to marshall the defenceHmm, I seem to remember people panicking in 06 when a certain Alessandro Nesta got injured. How did that World Cup go for Italy again????
Say the Swiss will win 2-0. They'll be pumped up with home crowd behind them. The Czechs where woeful during WC 2006 and only got through our group because we where crap.
Kuhn the managers wife also had a stroke yesterday but he will be there for the game on Saturday http://sport.orf.at/euro2008/ (German Only)
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