QuoteHe is offside and the Number 3 gets a yellow card for leaving the pitch without permission.
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Number 3 has just cleared the ball but is now off the pitch, is he still playing number 9 onside?
Last edited by Closed Account; 09/10/2008 at 10:36 AM.
He is offside and the Number 3 gets a yellow card for leaving the pitch without permission.
Yep, He is offside.
The rule as far as I know is that if the attacking player is between or beyond the last 2 defenders when the ball is played forward, the player is offside.
No. 3 is not involved in the play as he is not on the pitch.
Otherwise a guy being treated behind a goal for an injury would be playing forwards on. If a player is off the field, he doesn't count in the offside equation.
Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.
What about the third West Brom goal yesterday? Surely he was offside from the original ball forward.
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On a tangent, but related to the "not involved with play when off the field" rule.
If a striker stands just behind the touchline, just six inches outside the field of play (for example, in the same position as blue team's no.3 in the above picture), and the ball is played to him, at which point he runs onto the field of play, and receives the ball........what's the rule?
If he was just inside the field of play, he'd be 30/40 yards offside................is he still offside?
You can't return to the field without the ref's permission, and it has to be at the halfway line. So he's either 'officially' off the pitch, and can't just run back on, or is still considered to be on the field of play, and therefore offside.
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Is that the actual rule? He would be considered on the field of play? Players run off the field of play all the time, and just run straight back on.Originally Posted by noby
Imagine this situation........a corner is played into the box, and headed clear by a defender. An attacking player, in an attempt to get a head to the corner, has raced into the area, and his run takes him 5 yards beyond the touchline, up to the advertising hoardings. He turns around to re-enter the field of play. As he turns, the ball is lobbed back into the box, over the heads of everybody, as the defense is rushing out in an attempt to catch the attackers offside. When the ball is played, the player in question was off the field of play, but just about to run back on. The ball fortuitously goes in his direction, and he's in lots of space due to every player rushing out due to the offside trap. He gets it and puts in the net.
I'm sure it shouldn't be a goal, but what rule stops it from being a goal? The rule noby mentioned?
I'm sure our resident referee will clear it up, but I would say that it would be disallowed for offside.
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In the situation I described, I think that number 3 intends to come back on the pitch, therefore should be included in the field of play, therefore playing number 9 onside. If he claims the offside, I think he is cheating, yellow card, can't come back on pitch without the referees consent. So, to summize, its either onside or the full back gets a yellow card(free in?)
The ball was played to Phillips in phase 1, phase 2 begun when the Bristol player headed it to Miller, he is onside.
Not sure about that. One of the conditions for being officially offside when you are in an offside position is if you are "gaining an advantage" by being in that position. So, if you're in the offside position at phase one, have you not gained an advantage (in phase 2) in virtue of being in the offside position originally?
That was my thinking. A view that the panel of MOTD2 seemed to share.
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The gist of this is that you cannot leave the field of play without the refs permission.
So, if a forward or defender goes beyond the byline during active play, for whatever reason, they are viewed as being bang on the byline and therefore in play.
In the OPs scenario the striker is definitely onside
Last edited by Armando; 11/03/2008 at 10:51 AM.
Not sure about the actual wording of the rule, but as far as I know, if a player's momentum genuinely takes him off the pitch, then (a) he's not offside and (b) he can return immediately. There was a goal years back like this when Dion Dublin was off the pitch, came back on, snuck up behind Shay Given who had rolled the ball out to kick it, robbed the ball and scored. If he'd deliberately waited for Given to do that, then he would have been booked and a free out given.
It should be fairly easy to work out when a player is deliberately trying to gain an advantage by leaving the field of play.
A humorous aside - I remember a game in my Superleague reffing days when one team broke through with two players who were clearly offside, except that one opopsing player was wandering off to the goalline to be sick. Of course, he was still on the field of play, so I had to let play go on! In any event, the two managed to miss.
I remember Crespo's goal for Chelsea v Arsenal, I think he left the pitch and came back on and scored almost immediately.
number 9 is offside
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Explain please.
Just because you're username means referee in Irish does not give you the final word on this
p.s. I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
You noted that you can't leave the field of play without the ref's permission. This is wrong; you just can't come back on without permission. So Réiteóir's right.
The obvious corollary from this is that a player can play someone offside by stepping off the pitch, but as this involves a player staying well behind the rest of the defence and thereby causing the problem in the first place, it's not something which is ever likely to be taken up as a tactic. I'd imagine it'd be a bookable offence to deliberately try catch someone offside like that too.
Here's the answer I got from Asktheref.com
My understanding of this is that the player is onside.Answer provided by Referee Chuck Fleischer
Treat any defender as on the field where he left it and allow play to continue. If the player is off through the normal course of play allow play to continue. If the player is off to upset the offside equation allow play to continue and at the next stoppage book him for unsporting behaviour.
Answer provided by Referee Steve Montanino
The defender still keeps the line where his body is relative to the goalline. The act of leaving the field does not act to "remove" that individual from consideration in the offside equation.
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