George O Callaghan

**NorthoftheLee** · 09/07/2003, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by Trax
Cos there's a whole "we love George,he can do no wrong" thing going on here and anyone who doesnt agree with this line of thinking is a Moron/Spa/Retard/doesnt have a clue/blow-in/sunshine supporter.I was even told on monday(not on this site admittedly) that the Longford goal on friday which George had a hand in(thats being diplomatic) was a good thing cos it woke the team up(sure I always prefer a 2-1 lead to a 2-0 lead ).From what I heard some of the stuff thats been said in the DF has been bad,but, a little perspective here,it,s not exactly what black plyrs in the '80's,Cantona or Beckham have had to put up with.

think you're a bit off the track here trax....if people don't like george then thats their opinion, i personnally don't understand it and don't agree with it, but if its someones opinion then thats it.. What I do mind is the continual personal abuse thats being hurled ar george through out the games as has been reported. Its fucin sick in my opinion.....Once a players pulls on the city jersey then he should be entitled to the full support of every one of the home fans during the 90 mins of football....what good does it do for the team??? it only harms the teams performance as it will effect the player in question.....ok george gave the ball away against longford....so fucin what...we won in the end.....their goal was class and 9/10 times wouldnt have gone in....

and just because its not as bad as what black players had to go through in thelate 70,s 80's does NOT make it right...it is on a level with what cantona and beckham got but remember that was by opposition fans not their own....they were supported by their own fans...football fans should encourage their own team....end of story............

**liamon** · 09/07/2003, 3:09 PM

Originally posted by NorthoftheLee
Once a players pulls on the city jersey then he should be entitled to the full support of every one of the home fans during the 90 mins of football

I don't agree with that. If a fan thinks a player isn't performing well, then you are entitled to let them know it.

As long as it stays within certain limits. Maybe the abuse George is getting is out of order. I don't know as I haven't heard the git in the DF.
But fans do have the right to criticise plasyers and managers.

**dalo** · 09/07/2003, 3:37 PM

george is big guy. I am sure he can handle it while he receives his 800 quid a week. personally i think george is a overated pile of crap (but that's another story and something which i have wrote about before). flynn doesn't owe a single thing to george

get over yourselves guys. everyone is entitled to express a opinion and certainly a few of the subscribers here were not slow to express one about murphy. any reasoned football fan with a brain would see that george is playing was below himself - the guy is very talented but totally ineffectual.

as for the guys sounding off about george I dind't hear it myself but they could just ****ed or nuts. if it is racist or offending to kids then something should be done about it then fair enough but if they are offending the same old clique on this forum that seem to agree on everything amongst themselves then too bad. funny how THEY seem to think pat is the bee knees and we are having a most swimming season when last season gunther was the anti-christ and THEY felt gaz cronin should never have been left on the bench etc etc etc

i was never into booing or abusing players / managers during matches (not even hartigan or LOB or cormac cotter). can colm and neil and eanna say the same? as let's face it if we were any good yourselves we be playing not watching. booing is a cheap cowardly expression of a small person

as much as george infuriates me i would love to see him turn it on for city - think is i think we will be waiting. one mickey mouse nutmeg against longford doesn't hide a very poor performace (and i won't even start about those misses against boh's). anyway the team needs a few players to pick it up asap it ain't all geroge's fault either

**tiktok** · 09/07/2003, 4:32 PM

i think most of us get frustrated at times and have a go at players who we don't think are pulling their weight, and i'm all for expressing opinions about players and mangers, but consistent abuse (and it seems to be regardless of how well or badly goerge is playing) is sad.

Booing a city player as he walks off to be substituted is as low as you can get. the problem is that when one or two people keep having a go at a single player it can catch on with those around.

To this day, one of my worst feelings as a city fan was at the home game against Lausanne sport when Moses started that 'taxi for morley' chant, and it was picked up by a few people who had watched morley put in one of his best ever performances in a city shirt on the away leg of that tie.

There's a stage where these things turn almost personal and the idiot abuses the player regardless of how well he plays, when this stage is reached your better off not having that person in the ground.

**Trax** · 09/07/2003, 4:55 PM

Northof I never said just cos it's not as bad as what black plyrs had to put up with then it's ok.Btw 6 or 7 guys in the back of the DF shouting at George is NOT the same as 15'000 singing disgusting songs about your wife and Kid or telling you to Fcuk off back home ya French Cnut,it's not even in the same ballpark.Dalo made a lot of sense there. George is a full-time footballer and he's a big boy,Yes I lost the Rag when he gave the ball away but it was nothing over the top,I bet I wasnt the Only one??????? Also I was expressing my opinion that I thought George made a mistake and I got called a Moron/retard by the same people who said the abuse George got was over the top! Double-standards dont ya think??? Finally(rant nearly over) you say so what if He gave the ball away cos 9 outa 10 times they wont score.That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while,what if 2 or 3 plyrs do that every game?? Sure so what they'll only score,what harm will that do

**SSS** · 09/07/2003, 5:26 PM

I've no problem with shouting a bit at poor performing players, but this discussion all started because some morons shout at George regardless of how well he is playing - they clearly have a problem with him, not his play.

**patsh** · 09/07/2003, 5:48 PM

Originally posted by SSS
I've no problem with shouting a bit at poor performing players, but this discussion all started because some morons shout at George regardless of how well he is playing - they clearly have a problem with him, not his play.

This is the point Trax.
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion about a player, but we are talking about a player being singled out for sustained, incredibly offensive abuse, no matter how he plays, good or bad.

**�anna** · 09/07/2003, 7:02 PM

Originally posted by dalo
i was never into booing or abusing players / managers during matches (not even hartigan or LOB or cormac cotter). can colm and neil and eanna say the same?

Deary me dalo, haven't heard anything from you in a while. There was me hoping you'd given up your habit of posting nasty little jibes

I might have booed them, I didn't go into turners cross every week and abuse people personally, there's a HUGE DIFFERENCE.

**�anna** · 09/07/2003, 7:10 PM

Originally posted by dalo
george is big guy. I am sure he can handle it while he receives his 800 quid a week. personally i think george is a overated pile of crap (but that's another story and something which i have wrote about before). flynn doesn't owe a single thing to george

So why did us chanting murphy out bother you so much then? "An overrated pile of crap"? charming! As for flynn not owing anything to george, are you actually watching the games or is your head stuck completely up your hole? HAve you seen Flynn play without George? Different player.

Originally posted by dalo
any reasoned football fan with a brain would see that george is playing was below himself - the guy is very talented but totally ineffectual.

thats a pretty fair point, but players like George generally don't turn it on for the full 90 mins. We can continue this argument with "Gheorge Hagi was useless" and "Stoitchkov was never good enough" if you want

Originally posted by dalo
as for the guys sounding off about george I dind't hear it myself but they could just ****ed or nuts.

WHich makes it ok, yeah? You were quick enough to have a pop at me for turning up at a game with a few drinks in me previously.

Originally posted by dalo
the same old clique on this forum that seem to agree on everything amongst themselves then too bad. funny how THEY seem to think pat is the bee knees and we are having a most swimming season when last season gunther was the anti-christ and THEY felt gaz cronin should never have been left on the bench etc etc etc

Your shoulder must be killing you. Is that chip heavy? get over it. It's no clique, its not some love-in that no-one invited you to, its people expressing opinions and agreeing with each other on some of those opinions. Do you see knives in the mirror or what?

Originally posted by dalo
booing is a cheap cowardly expression of a small person

you've never booed anyone or anything for any reason then?

**�anna** · 09/07/2003, 10:45 PM

Its simple corkcityfan1 there are some people who are only happy when they have something to give out about! They are small minded idiots and there usually isn't any reasoning with them. I have no problem with peoples opinions on George, I have no problem with people criticising him ,or even roaring at him to "wake the f*ck up" or something as I have done on occasion- but there's a line between something like that and the kind of abuse these idiots are dishing out.

**Trax** · 10/07/2003, 8:24 AM

Originally posted by �anna
As for flynn not owing anything to george, are you actually watching the games or is your head stuck completely up your hole? HAve you seen Flynn play without George? Different player.

I seem to remember watching Flynny play 3 games on the trot without George,Let me see if I can remember............. Oh yeah He scored 2 in 3 games AT A HIGHER LEVEL,anyone remember what I'm talking about hmmmm??? BTW Patsc if you read my posts I said I Think the abuse he's geeting is disgraceful,BUT,I'm trying to add a little perspective,its just a few ****s in the back of the stand,it's not exactly 10,000 opposition fans

**NorthoftheLee** · 10/07/2003, 8:37 AM

Originally posted by Trax
6 or 7 guys in the back of the DF shouting at George is NOT the same as 15'000 singing disgusting songs about your wife and Kid or telling you to Fcuk off back home ya French Cnut,it's not even in the same ballpark

AS i said....your own supporters shouting abuse at you IMO is worse than any number of opposition fans shouting abuse at you. You expect abuse from opposition fans....

Originally posted by Trax
Also I was expressing my opinion that I thought George made a mistake and I got called a Moron/retard by the same people who said the abuse George got was over the top! Double-standards dont ya think???

You are quite entitled to you opinion..did the people calling you a moron/retard enter your workplace and shout abuse at you for 90 mins???? Just think about it!!!

Originally posted by Trax
you say so what if He gave the ball away cos 9 outa 10 times they wont score.That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a while,what if 2 or 3 plyrs do that every game?? Sure so what they'll only score,what harm will that do

in that situation in that particular match then 9/10 times they wouldnt have scored. eh if you havent noticed......players give the ball away to the opposition all the time every game.....a pecentage of the time this may lead to a goal being scored..it happens all the time....peopel kept harping on about this incident and I was trying to point out that it happens all the time....player make mistakes....they are human...dont hang them fot it.......

**The Donie Forde** · 10/07/2003, 9:23 AM

I think this is, almost definitely, the most hypocritical thread I have ever read...

...but then, that's just my opinion....

Donie

**�anna** · 10/07/2003, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Trax
I seem to remember watching Flynny play 3 games on the trot without George,Let me see if I can remember............. Oh yeah He scored 2 in 3 games AT A HIGHER LEVEL,anyone remember what I'm talking about hmmmm???

I said he was a different player, not a worse player. And what i was referring to were city games. City are simply not as good witout George IMO.

**Trax** · 10/07/2003, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by NorthoftheLee
[B]AS i said....your own supporters shouting abuse at you IMO is worse than any number of opposition fans shouting abuse at you. You expect abuse from opposition fans....[B] Well fair enough thats your choice,but I would take abuse from the 6 or7 rather than the 10000 anyday dont care who they support.

in that situation in that particular match then 9/10 times they wouldnt have scored. eh if you havent noticed......players give the ball away to the opposition all the time every game.....a pecentage of the time this may lead to a goal being scored..it happens all the time....peopel kept harping on about this incident and I was trying to point out that it happens all the time....player make mistakes....they are human...dont hang them fot it.......

Yes all plyrs make mistakes but the original point I made was that it was a stupid thing to do rather than just a silly mistake.It's a lot different when you are doin siht like that in front of your own goal.Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway I'm not gonna bother argueing this point anymore you lot have your views I have mine.And it's getting extremely boring

**Trax** · 10/07/2003, 11:39 AM

Ok half my last post got deleted but Fcuk it I'm not even gonna bother.

**Schumi** · 10/07/2003, 1:22 PM

It's in the middle of the quote.

**dalo** · 10/07/2003, 3:48 PM

Originally posted by �anna
I said he was a different player, not a worse player. And what i was referring to were city games. City are simply not as good witout George IMO.

ah eanna what's the beef, man. you seemed like a nice quiet sort anytime I see you selling your little fanzine.

seriously though i have never booed plyers, period. i think it's demeaning and juvenile. the george booing is out of order but I wouldn't be rushing to protect the guy from criticism either. why all the love bombing of the guy. the guy rarely influences the outcome of a game in a postive way (except bohs at home)

as for the rovers thing a couple of thing years ago i don't think u realised how close you were to a kicking.

anyway getting tired talking about george. maybe he will improve, i really hope he does but i 'd be surprised.

flynn is the man

anyway eanna peace and love