George O Callaghan

**pete** · 08/07/2003, 9:43 AM

Originally posted by Cityace
I think Georgie is a great pleyer and i wouldnt dream of critisising him at a match but for some reason his skill seems superficial,like he has no substance.I dont know why.............

O'Flynn has scored 11 league goals - check how many George has set up for him.

**hoofball** · 08/07/2003, 9:54 AM

Originally posted by A face
What section do the four in question sit in

??

Not sure if these are the same fellas, but I was in the Donie on Friday night and there were a few muppets not too far behind me getting on O'Callaghan's case. We turned around and tried to see 'em when they starting cheering/jeering when he was taken off in the 2nd half. We were sitting in the upper half just to the left of the city bench as you look at it (not sure what letter/number that section is as usually don't go into the DF)....

**NorthoftheLee** · 08/07/2003, 10:11 AM

i think its a disgrace what these muppets are doing to george. As most will know I am a huge fan of his. Think he's excellent and has along with Flynny been our best player this season.

But fans are entitled to their opinion, agree with them or not...They can (not saying it is right or wrong) shout abuse at players to a certain level. Only when this abuse goes to far (threatening behaviour, too much bad language, etc..), can the stewards to anything about it.

Remember the Murphy Out campaign last season and people on about freedom of speech, well like it or not, the same applies here.

The abuse directed at George is completely uncalled for and for those muppets taking part in it....go watch rugby if you can't appreciate football skill.............

**sadloserkid** · 08/07/2003, 12:07 PM

1. First off I would like to point out that I don't agree with criticism of your own players. It's bad form. However while O'Callaghan is clearly one of the best players in the league he's also one of the most frustrating. He's great to watch and when he does well he does brilliantly but too often he tries one flick too many and gets into trouble. As for the mouthing... well Steven O'Flynn does it for us and it can grate at times but it shouldn't lead to abuse of any player by his own fans. I personally like O'Callaghan but can see how he'd annoy at times too.

2. The other point is the one �anna raised about the danger of turfing out the guys giving the abuse. I appreciate the points then raised by Colm and A Face but disagree completely with Colm's assessment of things. Firstly if you're not allowed give individual players excessive amounts of stick then all your gang shoulda been thrown out for your anti-Ollie Cahill thing at the Shels game. You can't have it both ways lads. If people have the right to abuse Ollie (and they should) then George O'Callaghan is up for abuse also. I presume Colm, you're not proposing that the Shels fans can't chant anything bad about your players?

Like I said I don't personally believe in slagging off my own players but you can't have one rule for Cork players and another for visitors. That said, if you have a problem with the behaviour of these clowns (and I think I saw them at a Cork - Bray match I was at over Christmas) then go over and have a go at them. It's a cop-out to say you're too polite for that sort of thing. If you're afraid of confronting these people fine, you'll have to learn to live with it. I think a lot of you though are well able to stand up for yourselves and should be well able to go over and trade some verbals with these yahoos.

**Trax** · 08/07/2003, 12:12 PM

jeez it takes a Limerick fan to finally add a little perspective,and a little sense.Christ lads there's way too many people on the forum,cant keep with the posts...........

Neil · 08/07/2003, 12:17 PM

I take your points SLK but... let's not get too moralistic about it!
It's football.

If I was a steward and I saw a City fan hurling abuse at Trevor Molloy I'd turn a blind eye....

If I was a steward and I saw a City fan giving out about George I'd have an oul word in his ear. If he did it again I'd **** him out.

That's why I'm not a steward but you see my point?

**wws** · 08/07/2003, 12:25 PM

or does george o callaghan look like
Gary Breen?

Neil · 08/07/2003, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by wws
is it just me or does george o callaghan look like
Gary Breen?

No. It's just you who looks like Gary Breen.

**Colm** · 08/07/2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by sadloserkid
Firstly if you're not allowed give individual players excessive amounts of stick then all your gang shoulda been thrown out for your anti-Ollie Cahill thing at the Shels game. You can't have it both ways lads. If people have the right to abuse Ollie (and they should) then George O'Callaghan is up for abuse also. I presume Colm, you're not proposing that the Shels fans can't chant anything bad about your players?

I see your point slk, but in fairness, abusing an opposition player is one thing, abusing your own teams best player is a different matter entirely.

**steven17** · 08/07/2003, 1:19 PM

Originally posted by superal
Totally agree that there are some people out to criticize George no matter what. I sat in the DF last night and a father with his 2 sons in front of me turned around to the 2 sons after approx 2 minutes and said in a loud voice "see I told you you George is useless and is moaning and whinging again he will do that all through the match"

anyone who talks that way to a players family deserves a kick in the nuts.the`ll say that hes rubbish to his family and when it comes to meeting georgie on a night out or after a game the`ll lick his ass

georgie is a class above at city ,nd for his family to be talked to like thaat is a disgrace im all for fredom of speach and critize if a player plays bad but georgie has been class all season and dosnt deserve it from idiots that spoke to his father that way.

**sadloserkid** · 09/07/2003, 9:48 AM

Lads, I'm gonna stay outta this topic after this coz it's really none of my business one way or the other but I still say that if Trevor Molloy, Ollie Cahill, Tony O'Dowd or whoever is open for criticism then the same rules have to apply to Georgie boy. Football is about opinions after all and if somebody thinks O'Callaghan deserves a slagging then it shouldn't matter if the fan in question is wearing a Cork City, Shels or even a bloody Harchester jersey (though in the case of the last example the fan deserves a slagging). Either you can slag players or you can't but you can't wrap certain players in cotton wool just because 'they're really good'.

And like I said, go over and put the fear of god into the morons behind it if you have a problem. Threats and the potential for violence are always good bargaining chips!

**Macy** · 09/07/2003, 10:11 AM

Does this not hurling abuse/ giving stick to your own apply to managers as well? Should they be chucked out too? Or is that different cos you wanted Gunther Out?

Personally I think you should be able to throw abuse in any direction at a football match - if a professional can't hack it, that's his problem as ultimately they're paid to perform infront of crowd....

**A face** · 09/07/2003, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Macy
Does this not hurling abuse/ giving stick to your own apply to managers as well? Should they be chucked out too? Or is that different cos you wanted Gunther Out?

Personally I think you should be able to throw abuse in any direction at a football match - if a professional can't hack it, that's his problem as ultimately they're paid to perform infront of crowd....

Macy .... in all fairness, you have to be able to draw a line somewhere. Is there an unwritten rule that if you walk on the pitch the crowd can do as they wish, .... the are not fuking gladiators. Maybe a few centuries ago but we are meant to be civilised now.

And the five in question are pushing the boat out, OTT on George and not a peep for anyone else. It is maulious behaviour and no one should have to put up with it.

**Macy** · 09/07/2003, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by A face
And the five in question are pushing the boat out, OTT on George and not a peep for anyone else. It is maulious behaviour and no one should have to put up with it.

So because it's only 5 people and the rest of you disagree with their opinion it's wrong? But if it was more people, a la Gunther, it's okay?

**A face** · 09/07/2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Macy
So because it's only 5 people and the rest of you disagree with their opinion it's wrong? But if it was more people, a la Gunther, it's okay?

No Macy, not at all.

**sadloserkid** · 09/07/2003, 11:28 AM

Can somebody explain to me (and Macy too I'd imagine) while people should be allowed to criticise Gunther Murphy and/or the Shels back four but not George O'Callaghan?

Surely having paid their cash at the gate they're entitled to express their displeasure/

George O'Callaghan isn't everybodies cup of tea. Just because the vast majority of people think he's a priceless asset surely doesn't mean that people who don't see things that way shold be forced to shut up?

The double-standard being preached here is just blatant. I can still see a sea of 'Judas' placards being waved at Ollie Cahill...

And as a few people have said lads, maybe it's time to put up or shut up, either go over and bawl 'The Famous Five' outta it or else learn to live with it.

**patsh** · 09/07/2003, 12:15 PM

Lads. I think waht people are objecting to is that the abuse is a lot stronger than "Murphy out" or "Judas".
The only time I heard these guys was in Richmond Park, and the abuse was of an incredibly personal nature, continuously directed at George no matter what way he was playing.
I'll scream "maggot" at Molloy or Judas at Reynolds, but "Your f*ckin mother should have aborted ya, ya f*ckin c*nt" just because a pass fell short is way ott.
You also have to remember that this abuse is happening within earshort of the players family by people who are supposedly there to support the team. Lots of players families go to games, but I bet none of them hear abuse as vitriolic and disgusting as that directed at George by this minority.

Neil · 09/07/2003, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by patsh
The only time I heard these guys was in Richmond Park, and the abuse was of an incredibly personal nature

They were in Richmond Park?
For which game?

**patsh** · 09/07/2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Neil
They were in Richmond Park?
For which game?

Well there was a heavy guy with a moustache giving the abuse during the league game against Pats. Ye were all standing at the end of the stand, but I was sitting about 12 seats in, about 8 rows form the front and he was sitting about 4 rows behind me.
I was asking about this on another thread.

**Trax** · 09/07/2003, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by sadloserkid
Can somebody explain to me (and Macy too I'd imagine) while people should be allowed to criticise Gunther Murphy and/or the Shels back four but not George O'Callaghan?

Cos there's a whole "we love George,he can do no wrong" thing going on here and anyone who doesnt agree with this line of thinking is a Moron/Spa/Retard/doesnt have a clue/blow-in/sunshine supporter.I was even told on monday(not on this site admittedly) that the Longford goal on friday which George had a hand in(thats being diplomatic) was a good thing cos it woke the team up(sure I always prefer a 2-1 lead to a 2-0 lead

).From what I heard some of the stuff thats been said in the DF has been bad,but, a little perspective here,it,s not exactly what black plyrs in the '80's,Cantona or Beckham have had to put up with.