We should try get Flares permitted again.

[sligoman]

The FAI are never going to come out and say they're ok with flares...however they could just not fine clubs if they cared enough!

[dcfcsteve]

It's a fact that if you look at the best supported leagues, in terms of both numbers and atmosphere, that flares and/or organised displays by fans are all major parts of matchs days. Germany, Holland, Italy etc

"Fact" only in the David Brent sense....

It is a proper 'fact' that the 2 best supported Leagues in Europe are the English Premiership and the English Championship. Neither allow flares, and neither would have the critique you make of their lack of atmosphere addressed by tw@ts with pyrotechnics either.

Stand close to someone with a flare in a confined space whilst wearing a Polyester football top and a hat or wig made of material that also burns easily and see how much fun you thibnk it is. Flares are not banned for a laugh - it's becausee they're a fcukling hazard in the middle of crowds. They're designed for lost fools in the mid-Atlantic - not idiots in the middle of a football stadium who think 90mins of football is rendered sterile by the absence of luminescence and a pile of smoke for a few minutes.

I bet there's a strong inverse correlation between a person's age and their desire to see flares at football games. In other words, it's largely a kid's thing.

[Joey Killester]

"Fact" only in the David Brent sense....

It is a proper 'fact' that the 2 best supported Leagues in Europe are the English Premiership and the English Championship. Neither allow flares, and neither would have the critique you make of their lack of atmosphere addressed by tw@ts with pyrotechnics either.

Stand close to someone with a flare in a confined space whilst wearing a Polyester football top and a hat or wig made of material that also burns easily and see how much fun you thibnk it is. Flares are not banned for a laugh - it's becausee they're a fcukling hazard in the middle of crowds. They're designed for lost fools in the mid-Atlantic - not idiots in the middle of a football stadium who think 90mins of football is rendered sterile by the absence of luminescence and a pile of smoke for a few minutes.

I bet there's a strong inverse correlation between a person's age and their desire to see flares at football games. In other words, it's largely a kid's thing.

So flares shouldnt be let off because they'll burn somones hilarious He's a character goon wig?

I knew someone was going to mention flares being an obession amongst kids only but, I dont believe that to be true. I can see why someone might think that as many times on debates like this on the net you'll see posters saying stuff like "FLAREZ ARE MAD, DEADLY BUZZ LOLLLLLZ!". I'd say its true that some supprters around the country are kids letting one off to be "mad" but most of the time they are used by ultra groups who know what they're doing, and are legitimatley adding to the atmosphere and colour of the match. Groups like SRFC Ultras, Commandos 84 of Cork and NBB of Bohs, and ourselves (BD) are not just kids messing who are going to be reckless. Countless flares have been let off by Shels fans over the years and never has anyone been hurt.

[pete]

Incorrect. Flares can be legally purchased at many locations throughout the Republic of Ireland. Most notably in marine equipment stores.

Buy a couple of flares & walk down O'Connell St (or somewhere which is actually policed) waving them & see how you get on with the Gardai. It matters little whether firework law is a bad one as it does exist & not going to change.

[half_full]

That article on the LoI site is absolute BS. The FAI are trying to sterilize Irish football, hence their attempt to ban flares/smoke from grounds. As supporters it is important that we don't give in to this.

Lets keep things like this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2VeBoaOig

[half_full]

"Fact" only in the David Brent sense....

It is a proper 'fact' that the 2 best supported Leagues in Europe are the English Premiership and the English Championship. Neither allow flares, and neither would have the critique you make of their lack of atmosphere addressed by tw@ts with pyrotechnics either.

Stand close to someone with a flare in a confined space whilst wearing a Polyester football top and a hat or wig made of material that also burns easily and see how much fun you thibnk it is. Flares are not banned for a laugh - it's becausee they're a fcukling hazard in the middle of crowds. They're designed for lost fools in the mid-Atlantic - not idiots in the middle of a football stadium who think 90mins of football is rendered sterile by the absence of luminescence and a pile of smoke for a few minutes.

I bet there's a strong inverse correlation between a person's age and their desire to see flares at football games. In other words, it's largely a kid's thing.

You obviously don't have a clue.
1. English football has no atmosphere
2. You call people who use flares kids, yet you wear wigs to matches Go to any country bar bar england/scotland and they have a proper atmosphere, guess what they use flares.

[mediahack]

There was a situation at a Waterford game in the RSC a couple of years ago where a young kid's eye was damaged by a flare!

They are dangerous, have no place in football stadia and I hope they remain outlawed!

Enough said.

[Schumi]

It is a proper 'fact' that the 2 best supported Leagues in Europe are the English Premiership and the English Championship.

The Bundesliga has the highest average crowd in Europe and has for several years.

[John83]

Unfortunately whenever this issue is mooted (particularly on here) you immediately get a divide between the "I hate flares, they're only for yobs" brigade and the "There's nothing I like better than packing WMD's into my rucksack of a Friday" brigade.

Nicely said.

The facts of the matter at the minute is that the FAI are using certain supporters legitimate attempts to improve the atmosphere/enjoyment of their local club, by fining the holes off them.
Clubs, supporters groups and the FAI should all attempt to find an inclusive solution to this problem that sees safety prevail whilst also allowing supporters to bring of bit of colour and life to the league.

The fact of the matter is that those attempts are illegal and a bit dangerous. If you want flares at a match, you'll need a trained professional and probably the fire brigade. No one is going to foot the bill for those, so we're back to the "I want to wave a flare whenever I want" brigade versus the "but it's illegal" brigade.

[Seagull]

You obviously don't have a clue.

2. You call people who use flares kids, yet you wear wigs to matches

What choice does he have if he's going a bit thin on top??!

Season before last, Sligo fans lit a flare under the canvas roof at Bray. How stupid was that? Because it's clowns like that who get their hands on them, they must stay banned.

[deecay]

Season before last, Sligo fans lit a flare under the canvas roof at Bray. How stupid was that? Because it's clowns like that who get their hands on them, they must stay banned.

Wasnt stupid at all,great craic actually.Who got hurt,what damage was done

[micls]

Wasnt stupid at all,great craic actually.Who got hurt,what damage was done

And here you have a perfect example of why we cant have flares in grounds....

At one stage last year we were looking into getting a pro fireworks company to do a display at one of the games. They sort out the license and Fire cert an stuff. Fell through in the end but obviously its costly enough.

If it were organised properly it could be done with no risk, trusted and supervised people down the front of stand with buckets of sand next to them.

Unfortunately it'l never happen.

[deecay]

[QUOTE=micls;891629]And here you have a perfect example of why we cant have flares in grounds....
QUOTE]
Hows that a perfect example,no one hurt,no damage to anything.Great for atomsphere though

[half_full]

There was a situation at a Waterford game in the RSC a couple of years ago where a young kid's eye was damaged by a flare!

They are dangerous, have no place in football stadia and I hope they remain outlawed!

Enough said.

That child was far too young to be in a standing section in the first place. And besides it wasn't his eye it was part of his jacket collar got damaged IIRC, no way was it as serious as an eye anyway. Not saying it should have happened though. IMO flares/smoke should only be done by fans, not companies.

[BohsPartisan]

No point starting a thread like this on here. Too many reactionaries who want to see the sterile Premiership scenario imported here.
Ultras - just keep doing what you are doing.

[half_full]

I agree BP

[HarpoJoyce]

Perhaps the reason English/British football disallows flares maybe 'cos they have got it in the face ...figurativily.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/s...981917,00.html
Paul Bodin about Wales:Romania 1993 Wc Qualifier Cardiff Arms Park "..but people were obviously going to blame me because of the [penalty] miss. I got some stick for it, but things were put into perspective when we found out a fan had been killed by a flare. He came to watch a football match and never went home."

Em.. away fans were inconvenieced too. The TAROM flight from an airport (unsure which) was delayed as Police (those who protect) searched and questioned Players, Blazers, Supporters.

What happened was, some Welsh supporters on one side of a double-decker stand. IGNITED a flare, wrong kind..oopps, distress flare,(one what goes a distance and then explodes increasing the signal of distress). The flare, on this occassion, went across the stadium into another football (Ass. Football not rugby) fan. Killed him too.

Football fans kill football fans. Not Uniformed Officers, Not blazers, not players but supporters did. To be ignorant of this one incident is understandable.

To repeat, to want fans to bring in UXO (Unexploded Ordinance) into a Stadium, football or otherwise is unforgiveable.

Here is some advice on the legal handling of UXO material
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/ca...w-on-fireworks

I want to go to a football stadium, you may scream your "IRA" songs.
Don't maim me.....do I need to beg.

[BohsPartisan]

IRA songs? What planet do you go to football games on?

Q. Number of people hurt by Flares at footie matches in Ireland?

The state of some of the grounds is far more dangerous. Last time I went to the carlisle I left with my legs covered in rusty cuts.

BTW that story is about Wales not getting to the WC!

[Réiteoir]

That article on the LoI site is absolute BS. The FAI are trying to sterilize Irish football, hence their attempt to ban flares/smoke from grounds. As supporters it is important that we don't give in to this.

Lets keep things like this:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2VeBoaOig

Rather than this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/3254094.stm

[BohsPartisan]

Rather than this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/3254094.stm

Yes! Say no to organised professional displays with exploding fireworks in the center circle!
Liberta per gli Ultras!