Any chance we could organise some kind of fans petition to get flares permitted back into E.L grounds again?They add to an atmosphere so much and are sorely missed i feel.
Never going to happen, the use of uncontrolled flares will never be actively allowed at any organised event whatever it be a football match or a 'Lovely Ladies' competition....no insurance company would even entertain the idea unless it happened under the tightest controls i.e. fire brigade, trained users etc...hence more cost.
Fighting a losing battle from the off, best to concentrate our efforts elsewhere...
As well as being advised on how to handle situations on match-days, the Event Controllers were also shown a video produced in Switzerland which explains the dangers of fireworks at football matches.
The video showed how items such as flares, which are banned from stadiums under FAI rules, can seriously injure spectators, causing permanent skin damage and potentially setting fire to clothing.
The video also showed how smoke bombs can trigger heart attacks for people with heart conditions.
http://www.eircomloi.ie:82/news-cent...-181/index.xml
No chance - it's not an FAI ban, but a UEFA/FIFA one.
Plus I feckin hate flares. If you get stuck close to the tw@t who has them at a match it's no fun at all.
I don't see why they're considered in any way that important to atmosphere - they're not.
I actually completely agree with you.Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Waste of time as football ban & also illegal in this country unless licenced.
I agree. Don't know what flares have to do with 'athmosphere'. Sing a few songs, get on to players underperforming, be witty. I'd rather that than worry about some gobsh**e who can't hold his ale, with a flare in his hand
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what he had in mind
It's a fact that if you look at the best supported leagues, in terms of both numbers and atmosphere, that flares and/or organised displays by fans are all major parts of matchs days. Germany, Holland, Italy etc
It is also no coincidence that the more corporate and sterile leagues become (Premiership how are ya?) that these displays (or any displays for that matter) do not occur. Instead you get more cases of the "funeral" atmospheres that Alex Ferguson has alluded to in the recent past.
Unfortunately whenever this issue is mooted (particularly on here) you immediately get a divide between the "I hate flares, they're only for yobs" brigade and the "There's nothing I like better than packing WMD's into my rucksack of a Friday" brigade.
If people on this board cannot come around to the inclusive thinking whereby there should be some LEGAL pathways in which groups of affiliated supporters can organise match displays, away from the populated areas of the ground, (ie chose a designated safe area) where they can be monitored and controlled by the stewards/Garda on duty (who do sweet FA on matchdays let's be honest) then what chances do we have of the FAI thinking this way? (It's rhetorical)
The facts of the matter at the minute is that the FAI are using certain supporters legitimate attempts to improve the atmosphere/enjoyment of their local club, by fining the holes off them.
Clubs, supporters groups and the FAI should all attempt to find an inclusive solution to this problem that sees safety prevail whilst also allowing supporters to bring of bit of colour and life to the league.
Fin.
Was just about to post a long message in this thread, no need now. I could not have put it any better. There is a definite link between flares/other forms of colour and atmosphere for heavens sake.Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what he had in mind
It's a fact that if you look at the best supported leagues, in terms of both numbers and atmosphere, that flares and/or organised displays by fans are all major parts of matchs days. Germany, Holland, Italy etc
It is also no coincidence that the more corporate and sterile leagues become (Premiership how are ya?) that these displays (or any displays for that matter) do not occur. Instead you get more cases of the "funeral" atmospheres that Alex Ferguson has alluded to in the recent past.
Unfortunately whenever this issue is mooted (particularly on here) you immediately get a divide between the "I hate flares, they're only for yobs" brigade and the "There's nothing I like better than packing WMD's into my rucksack of a Friday" brigade.
If people on this board cannot come around to the inclusive thinking whereby there should be some LEGAL pathways in which groups of affiliated supporters can organise match displays, away from the populated areas of the ground, (ie chose a designated safe area) where they can be monitored and controlled by the stewards/Garda on duty (who do sweet FA on matchdays let's be honest) then what chances do we have of the FAI thinking this way? (It's rhetorical
The facts of the matter at the minute is that the FAI are using certain supporters legitimate attempts to improve the atmosphere/enjoyment of their local club, by fining the holes off them.
Clubs, supporters groups and the FAI should all attempt to find an inclusive solution to this problem that sees safety prevail whilst also allowing supporters to bring of bit of colour and life to the league.
Fin.Nail on head Maynard.
Flares are in same category as fireworks in this country. If the FAI allowed officially insurance premiums would rocket.
I would like to know what person/group decided one day to bring a flare or a cuple of them to a football match.Holding one in an unreal experience.Total mayham,I love it
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I agree
We should be allowed bring fireworks aswell
and guns. They electrify any crowd.I agree
We should be allowed bring fireworks aswell
here's a video of limerick fc a few years ago when pyrotechnics were allowed.
It's from Turkish TV, hence the foreign language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6x7j...eature=related
"Fenerbahce" is Turkish for "Limerick."
Those were happier days
We will be doing our best to recreate them this year.
If there's one benefit to living in Limerick it's the fact that the city is awash with firearms at bargain basement prices
they dont add to the atmosphere in an E.L game - not with E.L attendances
christ its not boca juniors against cruizeiro that play in the E.L
christ its not boca juniors against cruizeiro that play in the E.L[/QUOTE]
hardly the point my friend
the use of flares,jax roll,flags,bunting etc etc is a chance for the home/away fans to greet the teams as they come out.
if you have ever been to the rome derby the things you notice first are the noise,the colour,the "atmosphere".
this helps create a carnival atmosphere and shows the team running/walking out what the club means to them,in the vain hope that the mercenary currently sporting your teams kit will bother his ballix and try that little bit harder.
or maybe i'm just a believer in the all-encompassing emotion that following Rovers is to me rather than some consumer interested in 2 hrs of mild,safe distraction.
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Incorrect. Flares can be legally purchased at many locations throughout the Republic of Ireland. Most notably in marine equipment stores.
As a slight aside the Irish law prohibiting the sale and use of fireworks is an antiquated piece of rubbish legislation drafted in well over a hundred years ago to outlaw the use of gunpowder as a method of (ahem) "solving" local disputes. It is HIGH TIME that it too was redrafted and updated.
Where in Dublin can you buy flares?
hardly the point my friend
the use of flares,jax roll,flags,bunting etc etc is a chance for the home/away fans to greet the teams as they come out.
if you have ever been to the rome derby the things you notice first are the noise,the colour,the "atmosphere".
this helps create a carnival atmosphere and shows the team running/walking out what the club means to them,in the vain hope that the mercenary currently sporting your teams kit will bother his ballix and try that little bit harder.
or maybe i'm just a believer in the all-encompassing emotion that following Rovers is to me rather than some consumer interested in 2 hrs of mild,safe distraction.[/QUOTE]
mate im all for creating a great atmosphere but i just dont think a few flares at E.L will do anything to help create one -it would be better to concentrate on getting consistently good crowds first
i agree with u on your rome point , but in rome at a roma , lazio derby there are prob 50 - 60 thousand crazy italians in the stadio olympico roaring the teams on hence allowing the flares have a greater atmospheric effect
Was that when you were in Rathbane?
That question was less stupid, though you asked it in a profoundly stupid way.
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