Shels game protest

**Cosmo** · 06/07/2003, 3:23 PM

Lads, this is a joke. A protest involving supporters from every club in the coutry should be organised.

This has to stop before the fai kill our league

**The Sheliban** · 07/07/2003, 8:11 AM

Ho, hum! I'll leave aside the personal abuse, which does your cause no favours, and concentrate on the obvious contradictions.
"Most of the people on this board will travel to the game whether its on a Thursday or a Friday" Fair enough, I accept that. Yet other people are complaining that Thursday makes it harder to travel than a Friday. What's the true story?
By stating your away support at Tolka in recent seasons has been crap is merely stating a fact, not "having a go". I did not mention Shels support, home or away. Our support is growing, though it is well short of yours. Fact.
Somebody else says I should be looking to our own board and their deficiencies. I believe we have a great board. What other club has spent so much on players and facilities despite not having the gates to support the improvements? It shows our board are very proactive in fundraising, and are not averse to taking a gamble on putting the improvements in place and hoping the crowds will follow. Which they are doing. Slowly.
Somebody mentions the fact that holding the game on a Thursday messes up many people's arrangements to go to a GAA match on Saturday. So, I take it the game should be arranged to accommodate a GAA match, but not a friendly soccer game that will generate revenue for Shels and ultimately the league?
To answer another point, I am not in the know regarding friendlies, but United last year played Shels free of charge and let Shels keep the gate. A week before the English season starts, a lot of clubs will be looking for friendlies, and may well forego a cut of the gate.
I have great admiration for Dolan, believe it or not. He fights his corner well, and will do everything and anything in his power to promote his club. This includes lying. I'm not knocking him for this: I'd have done the same in his position. Yet most fair-minded fans accept he lied constantly throughout the whole Marney affair, and I suggest will examine very closely any rants he goes on now.
One thing puzzles me though, and could somebody genuinely answer this?
Shels friendly against United last year. We moved the fixture, but had to get Bray's agreement. Cork tried to move a fixture recently but couldn't get agreement from Pats. Last year, I believe there was a similar situation with Galway or Sligo. So, the trend has been that both clubs have to agree to a fixture change.
Now, if someone can tell me definitely, that Cork have not agreed to the fixture change, then I will accept your point that there is something unfair about it.
Over to ye. Spew your bile.

**joe** · 07/07/2003, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by The Sheliban
So, the trend has been that both clubs have to agree to a fixture change.
Now, if someone can tell me definitely, that Cork have not agreed to the fixture change, then I will accept your point that there is something unfair about it.
Over to ye.

except there's been a rule change recently which, afaik, means the home team can decide to move games without the away teams seal of approval

**The Sheliban** · 07/07/2003, 10:59 AM

Joe, thanks. I was totally unaware of that.

Whoever implemented that rule change must need their head examined. Effectively, if, say, Shels need to win their final home game to win the league, and we have three players injured, we can turn around and postpone the game for a week?????????

Was this rule-change publicised, because it sounds totally open to abuse.

**joe** · 07/07/2003, 11:04 AM

it was mentioned in brian lennox' programme notes on friday night, but i don't know what the full details are.

**noby** · 07/07/2003, 11:07 AM

if that's true, it's a crazy rule change

I don't agree with changing fixtures to facilitate friendlies, but maybe from next year, it should be recognised that clubs want these games for extra income, and a weekend be left free for clubs to either arrange these friendlies, or to take a mid-season break.

**Macy** · 07/07/2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by joe
except there's been a rule change recently which, afaik, means the home team can decide to move games without the away teams seal of approval

Sorry, I thought I heard people taking back all the sh!te about Longford having to agree for the change for the game... Neil, James et al?

Having said that, I have to agree with The Sheliban on this - youse are p!ssed off at it being moved for a friendly, as it affects your plans to go to the stick fighting at bigot HQ!?!?!

**The Sheliban** · 07/07/2003, 11:41 AM

Yes, both Shels and Pats are playing an XI, which probably means loads of guest players.
Ollie doesn't take me into his confidence, but I suspect that moving the game might have more to do with wear and tear on the pitch than players considerations.

I am still unsure if Shels "assumed" the game could be put back 24 hours, or if they phoned Cork and asked them could they facilitate the switch. As I said, if the rule change allows clubs to change fixture dates off their own bats, then the law is an ass.

**James** · 07/07/2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by Macy
Sorry, I thought I heard people taking back all the sh!te about Longford having to agree for the change for the game... Neil, James et al?

g'wan out of that ya jackeen

FAO Macy
reread the respective thread so!
i only took issue with some drivel nonsense u posted about how u and longford ppl had no sympathy / respect whatever for cork fans after this
the point i made then and re-iterate now is that cork fans have NO say in when cork city play their home matches

comprende, and stop wasting my time please

**Dodge** · 07/07/2003, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Conor74
The pitch would be such a worry that they have now decided to play a third and fourth place play off Sunday as well as the "final" (which was not in the original details released to English clubs apparently).

BTW, on the subject of guest players, I'll be in Dublin that weekend, but I'll only go to the games if I can be assured that Westlife's Nicky Byrne will be making an appearance. HE'S ONLY GOOOORGEOUS...

Actually they knew all along tey we'e going to play 2 games. The idea first of all was Uk v Irish (2 games) on Saturday and then swap on Sunday (i/e Pats play leeds on Saturday and Villa on Sunday) but then O'Leary became Villa bos and Pats.Shels thought this might draw in more... makes sense

**pete** · 07/07/2003, 2:31 PM

It seems a crazy time for Shel$ to arrange a set of friendly matches as they have to travel to Slovenia for their Uefa Cup match the following thursday & then have a FAI Cup tie on the sunday.

I still believe that CCFC should refuse to move their game forward 24 hours as the majority of the league is still part time. AFAIK clubs had to nominate their choosen day of the week for matches & could only change with prior arrangement from their opposition.

**Dodge** · 07/07/2003, 2:37 PM

Originally posted by pete
It seems a crazy time for Shel$ to arrange a set of friendly matches as they have to travel to Slovenia for their Uefa Cup match the following thursday & then have a FAI Cup tie on the sunday.

I still believe that CCFC should refuse to move their game forward 24 hours as the majority of the league is still part time. AFAIK clubs had to nominate their choosen day of the week for matches & could only change with prior arrangement from their opposition.

Yeah forgot about Europe. Jesus, that a tough week by Shels, even with an u21 side.

I was under that "designated" day assumption too Pete so maybe someone in Cork did agree to it.