QuoteHe's been held in some sort of mental institution.......................
Kevin Keegan said he's delighted to have him back.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/...oigne.html?rss
There doesn't seem to be much information in the story. Anyone heard more?
He's been held in some sort of mental institution.......................
Kevin Keegan said he's delighted to have him back.
Last edited by rambler14; 24/02/2008 at 7:53 PM.
LESS OF THE BULL NOW!
Won't be sheding too many tears.....ahem, for him. The guy was and still is an idiot in my opinion. All this crap about him being one of the best players of his generation and could've been better if he was looked after. Yeah the guy was good but not great as one Eamon Dunphy would say.
Let's not forget his disgraceful tackle and behaviour in the 1991 cup final. His "flute playing" while playing for Rangers. His insulting the whole Norwegian nation by telling them to f*@k off.
Yeah, get well soon Gazza.
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I saw him play a couple of times at WHL when he played for Spurs.Wanted him to be crap but he was amazing.Had an incredible box of tricks and could use them at will and did reguarly even in his own half.Cant really think of another similar player atm.As a person he was badly behaved at times but with his catalogue of personality disorders IMO its a sad affair-particularly
His celebrity mates dont seem to be around any more.
here here!Originally Posted by Denis The Red
My Goal Is To Deny Yours...
Read his book an excellent read may i add, the man has serious problems, especially to do with his ex wife, he was a magician on the pitch, bit of muppet off it though(even though he has some hilarious stories), but he needs help and i hope the football community supports one of itys legends, for whatever reason he is, he is a legend!!
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the man is obviously in need of help and has been in need for a long time, great to see you've some compassion Denis.
"Must you tell me all your secrets when it's hard enough to love you knowing nothing."
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Agreed, I would have assumed that he had these problems all along bubbling under the surface. More than likely would help explain some of his actions. Don't think there was ever much malice in him.
And you ask me to help you??!! Man is evil!!!! Capable of nothing but destruction!
Just saw him on Sky Sports News and thought he looked better than he's supposed to (still looked crap). I don't deny the guy was a talented player but now he looks like he's fishing for sympathy and maybe a job somewhere so he puts himself back in the spotlight again in case we forgot him.
And did you hear he's boast, "No-one is ever going to be as good as I was." Oh man, what a pr**k.
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He has a point, the closest thing England have ever come to a Marradona. Gazza was a genius, head and shoulders the best player I've ever seen in the flesh.
Sadly was always very much a George Best type flawed genius, I wish him a happy and stable life but I fear the worst.
Absolutely. The man always came accross as being on the brink of breakdown even during his glory days. It's a terrible shame to see any individual in that state.
I would love to see him take advantage of all the help that is/has been given to him but I fear that it is just a matter of time before I turn on the radio in the morning and hear the bad news.
Would you make similar comments about other players whose problems have caused them to behave equally badly? George Best maybe, or Paul McGrath?
Anyhow, I hope you don't ever suffer mental illness or succumb to alcoholism etc; if you should, you might be a tad less judgemental.
As for his status as a player, I watched plenty of him at Spurs. Even despite his lifestyle, his performances at times were right up there with Hoddle and Ginola, for instance. Even other fine players like Lineker were in awe of him.
And had he not had so many "demons", I've no doubt he'd eventually have been ranked with players such as Zidane, Gullitt or Platini, such was his innate ability.
As it was, he was as good as the likes of Cantona or Bergkamp ever were (imo).
Only if they played for Rangers.
Theres only two paul Gascoigne's
Nothing to do with the fact he's English and played for Rangers( I like Trevor Steven) but a lot to do with the fact he was a lout. He's behaviour was unacceptable and unremorseful when he did it and now the guy is openly talking about his problems we are all supposed to say how awful it is?
I already said he was a talented player and could have been the best English midfielder since Bobby Charlton, but it dosen't excuse the fact that he lived and behaved like a thug. He was in a position of privilege like many pro footballers, but unlike most players he abused that privilege. He hung around with a guy called "five bellies" for Christ sake, beat his wife (who was a fox imo) on top of the other things I mentioned before.
People can sob for him if they like but I'm not going to lament for a wasted career.
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A poster uses a few choice words to describe a guy (words which describe his character pretty well in my opinion) and we have assumptions that this dislike is based on his nationality or the fact he played for a particular club. Well done to you both.
My pleasure. The assumption was based on what Denis the Red wrote- not everyone would agree with him that winding up easily offended Celtic fans is comparable to Gascoigne's other thuggish behavior. I assumed DtR was just throwing in a cheap old firm gag, but to be fair he's answered that. So guilty as charged
Ealing Green can answer for himself, but I think both of you have misread him. He's chiding Denis for being judgemental about Gascoigne's illness, not accusing him of being anti-English.
Osuaran,
It's (uncharacteristically) out of order of order for you to conflate my post with that of someone else (Gather Round), to make a point that doesn't apply to me.
If you re-read my post, you'll see I did not assume anything about DTR's views on Nationality or Club affiliation.
Rather, whilst nowhere condoning or defending Gazza's behaviour, I questioned DTR's clear lack of compassion for the Mental and Physical Illness which may have contributed to that behaviour.
For whilst we can all make rational decisions, for which we must be held accountable, when sane and healthy, it is not necessarily the same when psychologically disturbed or addicted etc.
Of course, I don't know Gascoigne well enough to know whether he would have behaved so badly had he never experienced his demons; then again, neither does DTR, which was the point I was trying to make.
Undoubtably a very talented footballer in his day. But his "lad antics" is what he is and will be remembered for.
I hadn't thought that was your motive in attacking him.
I can't comment on his most recent pronouncement (not seen it), but having followed his career reasonably closely, one of the reasons I retain some sympathy for the guy is because of his clear remorse in the past. Which imo explains why so many of his friends/former colleagues, his ex-wife even, have not entirely given up on him. And whilst I'm no psychologist, I suspect it also explains some of his torment i.e. if he was just an uncaring *******, none of it would bother him.He's behaviour was unacceptable and unremorseful when he did it and now the guy is openly talking about his problems we are all supposed to say how awful it is?
Nor have I detected any great demand for our sympathy, either, though I'd suggest that he at least deserves a degree of understanding, which is hardly the same thing.
It is out-of-order to describe Gascoigne the player as a "thug" imo, esp when you consider the treatment he received from genuinely thuggish defenders etc, throughout his career. As for that tackle on Gary Charles, as someone who was there, I can say it was obvious to everyone that Gascoigne was so hyped up that he was likely to do something crazy (literally).
Which doesn't defend him, or make it any easier for Charles. Nonetheless, one such isolated incident should not be used to define a career. Moreover, it does not even begin to compare with the pre-meditated, calculated thuggery of e.g. a Graeme Sounness, a John Fashanu or a Roy Keane, who routinely, deliberately and cynically chopped people down without a second thought. Indeed, one of those even boasted of it, for money, in his "Autobiography".
As for his off-the-field life, I'm reluctant to comment, since I don't know much more than what the tabloids say i.e. fcuk-all.
Nonetheless, I have no doubt that there are people out there in politics, the army, big business, the church, the media etc who regularly do far worse than Gascoigne ever did, without any mitigating factors, who have potentially ruined the lives of countless thousands etc, and yet we hardly even know of their existence, since they don't appear in the redtops every other day.
I'm not denying or defending that abuse. I'm merely asking whether if placed in his shoes, which of us can say we wouldn't have behaved the same, or worse?
The fact that he didn't abandon his old mates, or deny his roots etc, is to Gascoigne's credit, imo.
Would it make any difference if she was a "dog"?Is she "foxier" eg than Alex Best? If I had to choose between the two Gascogines, of course my sympathy would be for Sheryl over Paul. But that's not to say that sympathy for the former's plight automatically precludes some degree of understanding of the latter's problems.
I'm a Spurs fan, but I actually have no great concern for the waste of his career - such things have happened before, will happen again and when it comes to it, football isn't actually that important.
I am, however, saddened to see the dark side of a (potentially decent enough) human being exposed by illness, so that he has become a much worse individual than he might have been, to the detriment of himself and those around him.
Speaking of which, I note that you haven't answered my question about Best and McGrath...
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