Stephen Ireland Makes Himself Available Again

**Greenforever** · 27/02/2008, 7:14 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Fair enough, but I meant the allegations mypost is raising against Stephen Ireland's claims that his girlfriend had a miscarriage. He'd really want some proof to back that up.

I would agree with you to a point, but when you are caught out telling one lie after another you lose respect and people are unlikely to believe you. Not one of his Interantional colleagues has come out to defend him. (to the best of my knowledge) IF you had a similar tradegy you would probably confide in a close friend who would in turn defend you.

After geting caught out twice it looks like he needed an excuse that could not be challenged, and while I like most other people had sympathy for him at the time, his actions since them have made me feel like he was telling more lies.

**Superhoops** · 27/02/2008, 9:34 AM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

what of my comments are untrue, come on or is this a Cork thing, I mean we've had Roy Keane, Stephen Ireland, the Cork Football and Hurling teams, is it that there should be one rule for Cork sportspeople and another for the rest

My line of thought exactly. Not called the Rebels for nothing.

**bellavistaman** · 28/02/2008, 3:40 PM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

what of my comments are untrue

The one i quoted, the one is which you said was impossible!!

Originally Posted by Superhoops

My line of thought exactly. Not called the Rebels for nothing.

Indeed

**Seagull-4-life** · 28/02/2008, 4:13 PM

I'm delighted he's back full stop. We need a player of his quality

**bellavistaman** · 28/02/2008, 4:53 PM

Originally Posted by Seagull-4-life

I'm delighted he's back full stop. We need a player of his quality

Exactly.

**Greenforever** · 28/02/2008, 5:02 PM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

The one i quoted, the one is which you said was impossible!!

Indeed

You have me lost, there is nothing that I have posted that is not 100%true, you on the other had post conjecture and opinions.

Please print the quote that I have that is incorrect, thanks.

**bellavistaman** · 28/02/2008, 5:11 PM

ah i quoting the wrong person, deepest apologies greenforever!!

**Greenforever** · 28/02/2008, 5:16 PM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

ah i quoting the wrong person, deepest apologies greenforever!!

Apologies accepted, now we konw all I said about SI not passionate about playing for his country is 100% true. And what we need is a team of committed and passionate players.

**RivaldoBabb** · 29/02/2008, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

Apologies accepted, now we konw all I said about SI not passionate about playing for his country is 100% true. And what we need is a team of committed and passionate players.

Exactly...

What we dont need is excuses, pink landrovers or fake hair.

**bellavistaman** · 29/02/2008, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by RivaldoBabb

Exactly...

What we dont need is excuses, pink landrovers or fake hair.

Possibly, but what we do need is his talent, doesnt matter what car he has when he wearing the green of ireland.

**Greenforever** · 29/02/2008, 7:33 AM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

Possibly, but what we do need is his talent, doesnt matter what car he has when he wearing the green of ireland.

but it matters that he is 100% committed, which he isn't, because it rubs off on the rest of the squad. Why should they give 100% when someone else can pick and choose when to play or not?

From your posts im beginning to wonder do you drive a pink car

have you had a hair transplant or is that your brother

**osarusan** · 29/02/2008, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

but it matters that he is 100% committed, which he isn't, because it rubs off on the rest of the squad. Why should they give 100% when someone else can pick and choose when to play or not?

In a perfect world, you would be correct. But as I've said before, the amount of leeway allowed a player tends to correspond to the talent that player possesses. There is a line that players shouldn't cross, but that line isn't in the same place for everybody. If a player is no more than a squad player, who rarely gets a runout at all, then any indiscretion on the player's part might be a fatal blow to his international career.

If somebody with the talent of Maradona is less than 100% committed, do you just say he can't play anymore? Of course you don't. You do whatever you can to get him back in the squad.

Of course, I'm not saying that Ireland is equal to Maradona in terms of skill, but what I am saying is that the amount of crap we put up with from a player will depend on how much that player offers us when he decides to play. Once any player goes over that line, and starts to cause more trouble than he's worth, then he's out of the picture.

I don't think Steven Ireland has crossed that line yet. Not for me, anyway. He still offers enough in terms of ability for me to want him in the squad.

**brine3** · 29/02/2008, 11:22 AM

Maradona was a bit of an arse when he was a player, but managers dealt with him.

Trap has masses of experience when it comes to dealing with all sorts of personalities/players, hopefully he'll know what to do with Stephen Ireland.

**bellavistaman** · 29/02/2008, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

Why should they give 100% when someone else can pick and choose when to play or not?

From your posts im beginning to wonder do you drive a pink car

have you had a hair transplant or is that your brother

They havent given 100% under staunton for whatever reason either, when/if ireland comes back he will be the hungriest player on the pitch, the lad has a major point to prove..

Quite the opposite my man, hate these pink wearers and gay haircuts, but thats for another day.

Originally Posted by brine3

Maradona was a bit of an arse when he was a player, but managers dealt with him.

Trap has masses of experience when it comes to dealing with all sorts of personalities/players, hopefully he'll know what to do with Stephen Ireland.

Agreed, and his friendship with sven goran should favour us too.

**Morbo** · 29/02/2008, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

In a perfect world, you would be correct. But as I've said before, the amount of leeway allowed a player tends to correspond to the talent that player possesses. There is a line that players shouldn't cross, but that line isn't in the same place for everybody. If a player is no more than a squad player, who rarely gets a runout at all, then any indiscretion on the player's part might be a fatal blow to his international career.

If somebody with the talent of Maradona is less than 100% committed, do you just say he can't play anymore? Of course you don't. You do whatever you can to get him back in the squad.

Of course, I'm not saying that Ireland is equal to Maradona in terms of skill, but what I am saying is that the amount of crap we put up with from a player will depend on how much that player offers us when he decides to play. Once any player goes over that line, and starts to cause more trouble than he's worth, then he's out of the picture.

I don't think Steven Ireland has crossed that line yet. Not for me, anyway. He still offers enough in terms of ability for me to want him in the squad.

Good post, I agree the talent of a player is proportional to the amount of crap he is allowed to get away with but I'm not sure SI hasn't already crossed the line, he has talent but I think he is overrated and we may have to play 5 in midfield to accomidate him and if he hasn't already crossed the line then he is dancing on it and I think one more lame excuse from him and he should discarded

**BigmanCas** · 29/02/2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Morbo

Good post, I agree the talent of a player is proportional to the amount of crap he is allowed to get away with but I'm not sure SI hasn't already crossed the line, he has talent but I think he is overrated and we may have to play 5 in midfield to accomidate him and if he hasn't already crossed the line then he is dancing on it and I think one more lame excuse from him and he should discarded

100% agree with you..

**frankbrett** · 29/02/2008, 1:05 PM

Originally Posted by BigmanCas

100% agree with you..

not exactly a direct comparsion but when McGrath was missing games through drunkeness related AWOLs we all welcomed him back into the squad afterwards on account of his talent.

**Greenforever** · 29/02/2008, 1:07 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

I don't think Steven Ireland has crossed that line yet. Not for me, anyway. He still offers enough in terms of ability for me to want him in the squad.

So how many managers has he to refuse to play for before he has crossed the line

We have 3 (some may say 2)

Kerr - no one disputes this
Staunton - no one disputes this
Givens - now given that SI has a history of telling untruths and DG doesnt I would tend to believe DG

While I would never rule out a return I would not be running after him because unless he is genuinely committed we're better off without him or anyone else for that matter. We have generally punched above our weight due to having a team 100% committed.

**Greenforever** · 29/02/2008, 1:09 PM

Originally Posted by frankbrett

not exactly a direct comparsion but when McGrath was missing games through drunkeness related AWOLs we all welcomed him back into the squad afterwards on account of his talent.

And completely different Paul was and is a gentleman with a major drink problem and he never tried to blame anyone else for his shortcomings. If SI didnt blame everyone else, he would be far more respected.

**jmurphyc** · 29/02/2008, 1:19 PM

Originally Posted by Greenforever

Kerr - no one disputes this
Staunton - no one disputes this
Givens - now given that SI has a history of telling untruths and DG doesnt I would tend to believe DG

The thing that ****ed me off more than anything was that he didn't inform Staunton that he wasn't ready to come back before the Germany and Cyprus squad was announced. However, saying he refused to play for Givens is a bit wide of the mark IMO. Givens said in a press conference that he hadn't spoken to Ireland and it was his job to get in contact, so it's not as if Ireland downright refused to play. Anyway, I'm not sure Givens would have picked him even had Ireland asked to come back.