Originally Posted by Bondvillain
total bullsh**, he needs to apologise directly to the FAI and the fans and not though journalists who will write whatever sells papers without any reference to the truth. YES he may be sorry and want a fresh start but if so ring the FAI and tell them not some journalist, then we may just believe waht we are told. And club statements on websites are pretty pathetic aswell.
Is that Kevin Doyles Dad.
In Trap we trust
I think that there is a point beyond which the behaviour of a footballer will mean that we never want that footballer to be allowed to represent their country ever again.
I'm sure it is fair to say that every fan will have their own limit, and what is unacceptable to some will be acceptable to others. I'd also guess that to some extent, the limit of what fans consider acceptable will be related to the quality that the player in question brings to the team.
Ireland has made a couple of silly mistakes, and his lack of any apology hasn't impressed me. Neither has his attempt to get back in the national team squad by telling newspaper reporters he wants to play. An apology and a call to the FAI would improve his image a lot, in everybody's eyes.
That said, I'd be happy if he rejoined the team, as he seems to want to do. At least for me, he hasn't crossed any line.
Last edited by osarusan; 22/02/2008 at 5:55 AM.
Several articles have noted his apologies. Does he have to apologize to the FAI in front of a video camera FFS?
I'll remember that after Ireland scores for us again
I'd imagine his girlfriend and the loss of his unborn child were also on his mind
Well, he wasn't called into the squad for starters
Success at junior level leads to success at senior level. Let's not go through this argument. Again.
Just close the thread and let him get on with his career for club and country.
Oh wait, wait! I haven't declared my support for Mister Ireland as yet.
I just gave the episode a moments consideration and came up with an analogy; if my friend didn't come to my birthday party and gave some made-up excuse even though he had a justifiable one then yes I'd be a little peeved initially. But if he apologised for his actions and still wanted to be my friend then I wouldn't forget the good times we had together and would happily invite him along to my next party. We're still friends; one error of judgment wouldn't change that.
I don't get the whole principled argument that what he did was unforgivable and is worthy of everlasting indignant condemnation. A little sad in my opinion.
Onwards and upwards!
I say his eyewitness account is better than yours.
My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method, is love. I love you Sheriff Truman.
You are, of course, correct. Total Bullsh**. I've just re-read the forum rules and I've noticed this
My sincere apologies for the intrusion. I'll get back to baying like a loon over something I have no personal insight into.Any opinion expressed that isn't identical to Greenforever's should be considered bovine excrement, and ignored
Hang on....
He needs to apologise directly to the FAI & fans but interviews and press releases & web blogs are not quite good enough for you?
How are we to be aware of this apology to the FAI , should it occur? Would you like Sky or Setanta to cover the meeting, or are you angling to be the Fans official representative at the summit?
He needs to apologise directly to the fans?
Would that be a series of humble door-to-door visits across the country, or perhaps a heartfelt confessional in the Centre circle at croker with a microphone at Half time during the Serbia game?
Hey, we could get the Dublin gospel choir to sing "Sinner man" , "Amazing Grace" or "I saw the light" softly in the background while he's doing it. Jeremy Kyle could host it.
We dont need a Sisyphus, constantly forced to produce apology after apology, we need a compact and coherent unit of players. The sooner Ireland is given a chance to atone, the sooner we get on with qualifying.
As I bulshi*ted earlier, I hope his mental issues are behind him, and I hope his not inconsiderable talent plays some part in us qualifying for South Africa.
Last edited by Bondvillain; 22/02/2008 at 10:09 AM.
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
I'd take a stab at Andy reid's Dad.
Here they come! It’s the charge of the “Thanks” Brigade!
In Trap we trust
Why does everyone take this as gospel coming from the man who claimed both of his grandmother's were dead before the truth came out to state otherwise. I wouldn't trust anything from Superman and that includes any statements he makes about Don Givens (even him yes) or wanting to rejoin the Ireland team.
I couldn't care personally if he never plays for us again as in the short time of his International and Youth International career he has caused more controversy than the majority of players do in their entire careers.
Pick the players who are committed and leave those who have shown otherwise back in England playing for their clubs. It should be that simple. His character indicates that he'll cause trouble again.
Saying that at a stretch I'd be willing to give him one last go but any sign of trouble or a lack of commitment and it would be better for Trap to wash his hands with him for good.
Last edited by youngirish; 22/02/2008 at 1:24 PM.
An apology in the newspaper is hardly the same thing though is it.
If he handled the situation maturely and correctly, there would be no need for repeated apologies.
Agreed.
I think Ireland knows he has screwed up, but hopes that the newspaper apologies and revelations about his desire to represent his country will put him back in the good books, as he doesn't fancy doing a bit of grovelling to the FAI/fans.
With Givens at least, it didn't work, but hopefully Trapattoni will get a different result.
... because it's the only humane thing to do.
Don't get me wrong -I agree with the thrust of your argument. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that he kept lying until he came up with a lie nobody would grill him about. If that's the case he is indeed a lowly creature and his wan is a psychobitch.
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Yep. If we do qualify for South Africa you couldnt be 100% sure that he wouldnt spit out his dummy for whatever fictional reason and walk out on the team, like Keane did in Saipan, and we really dont need that sort of sh1te associated with the Irish team again.
I would probably be more forgiving if he was a player of the calibre of Keane, in that we couldnt do without him, but at present I dont think he is that important.
'I can't even remember when the Seventies was.' - ROBBIE KEANE
Yeah I certainly don't take it as gospel, if someone is capable of lying about the death of a living human being then they are certainly capable of lying about the death of a fictional one, I don't think you are the only one who doubts his story, most people are worried people will think they are a cnut if they doubt his story, as miscarriages are a touchy subject
I do think that Ireland has been a lot of bother so far for someone who hasn't been that impressive in a green shirt and that he may be trouble in the future. Also IMO a lot more fans would have washed their hands of him if he didn't show so much potential and look like being an important player for us in future.
However, I think people are kind of overreacting to his lies about his grandmothers dying. A lot of people lie about someone in their family dying to get away with things, especially at that age. I did it so I personally can understand where he's coming from. Plus, a lot of people ignore the fact that, from what I've read about the situation, the lie was not started by him. TBH though, he has had more than one indiscretion, so I really do think this is his last chance. Any more nonsense and he should be out for good.
In regards to an apology to the fans via an FAI press conference, though it would be nice, I would personally be more than happy for him to show 100% commitment in the shirt and hopefully help to get us goals and bring us to the next world cup. That would be the most sincere apology for me.
My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method, is love. I love you Sheriff Truman.
What type of sociopaths do we attract on this site?
But I 100% agree with all the above and I'm fairly sure it won't be the last problem we have with young Ireland.
Last edited by youngirish; 22/02/2008 at 1:32 PM.
I dont know if this has already been posted
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...79&ito=newsnow
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist thinks it will change; the realist adjusts the sails.
Strange. Judging from his own manager's comments it doesn't appear that Sven believes that Ireland is dying to get back to play for us. Anything of the sort if Sven's comments are to be believed. Looks more like he wants to be begged to come back. More lies in the media from Ireland regarding his desire to return it appears.
Dunne called it right a few weeks ago I reckon. Ireland is more trouble that he's ever going to be worth.
Last edited by youngirish; 22/02/2008 at 5:24 PM.
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