You’re a liar… you’re a f***ing w****r. I didn’t rate you as a poster, and I don’t rate you as a person.Originally Posted by geysir
Or get, er, a time machine...Come on now lads, take this to the Seamus Coleman thread where it belongs
Well, obviously; Roy was under no contractual obligation to play for us.
You can't just assume that. You made the assertion and have failed to provide evidence to back it up.
Your assumptions aren't worth a bean, Tricky
How about, you searched everywhere, couldn't find anything, nada, to support your claim, therefore the obvious explanation holds, it ain't true because Mick never expressed that expectation.
OK well the specific incident refereed to the second leg of the Iran game, Mick accused Roy of faking injury.
However it was similar to a friendly in that it was not really a key game, they didn't need Roy to get the result
they needed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...Euro-2012.html
And of course if Roy were faking injury for non-friendly games the implication is he faked it for friendly games too
so I think I have to say I was right on that point.
Roy said he would have played but for Mick accusing him of feigning injury, Mick was wrong to do that as it was not something he
could prove.
Second leg of a World Cup playoff not a key game? Similar to a friendly?
I think you should actually ban yourself from using this forum for a fortnight just for the sheer dumbness of that remark.
I'd say it was one of the most important games in our history. 2-0 was barely a foregone conclusion especially in front of a huge crowd and given that they should have scored at least twice in Dublin.
If Keane was capable of playing if we hadn't got a "positive result" in Dublin he was capable of at least being on the bench in Tehran. He slipped off before breakfast after the home game and didn't even wish the squad good luck. Leader my ar$e.
Mick had every right to have a go at him. If you believe he went home from a World Cup because nasty Mick said something bad about him in the spur of the moment, and that actually had a ring of truth to it, in response to a calculated attack on Mick and his character then you're beyond having an objective conversation with on this topic.
Well it seems to me Roy was playing on an injury, prior to the Iran game he had missed 6 competitive games for Man U now doubt
faking a knee injury so he could stay at home watching TV. He didn't play for Man U 5 days prior to the match so he clearly was not fit
then, I expect he was not fully fit for the first Iran game either but did so out of loyalty to his country.
Had he wanted to he could *easily* have missed that match and the second leg without facing any criticism whatsoever, yet he
didn't he played, your argument has a huge hole in it, as does Micks.
Feigning injury is not Roy's style anyway, he could easily have escaped Saipan without criticism by saying his knee was playing up,
but he didn't, he told Mick to f-off instead.
Yes he might have gone the extra mile and risked ending his playing career by continuing to play on his injured knee if Ireland
really were in trouble, but they were not, if they could not defend a 2-0 lead without him it would be as well they didn't go anyway.
As for me banning myself for two week for my stupid comments, you might consider taking a short break yourself!!
In fact there is 4 week Antarctic cruise here
http://www.responsibletravel.com/hol...om-new-zealand
A chance to cool down perhaps!!!
You jump to an awful lot of suspect conclusions, Tricky. He may have been injured prior to the game, but that doesn't mean you can assume he played against Iran with an injury. In fact, because he played the game, it would be more rational to assume he was fit to play. It's self-evident. If he was fit for the home leg, why wouldn't he have been fit enough to at least travel for the away leg? He played the full 90 minutes of the first leg. Had he aggravated the previous injury during the game, he'd have been taken off surely, but as Stutts highlighted, he returned to Manchester the very next morning. Did the FAI doctors check him after the first leg?
That's style alright!Feigning injury is not Roy's style anyway, he could easily have escaped Saipan without criticism by saying his knee was playing up,
but he didn't, he told Mick to f-off instead.
Eh? Why bother even going to the World Cup given our reliance on Roy in qualifying? Why need he have bothered showing up for the qualifiers in the first place given our reliance on him? Sure, why bother do anything ourselves that might partly rely on the assistance of another?...Yes he might have gone the extra mile and risked ending his playing career by continuing to play on his injured knee if Ireland
really were in trouble, but they were not, if they could not defend a 2-0 lead without him it would be as well they didn't go anyway.
He was supposed to be our captain, wasn't he?
How was anyone to know how the fixture would pan out before it took place? I certainly know I was very tense in the lead-up. It wasn't going to be the walk-over you seem to have thought it was going to be. Stop dismissing the significance of the fixture in order to bolster your fantasy "Roy was right about everything" narrative. It's ridiculous. You can't assume the tie was over with a 2-0 home win and the second 90 minutes still to play in an incredibly hostile atmosphere in unfamiliar Tehran.
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Well my assumption he was not fit to play is as valid as one that he was fit to play, he had just come back form injury, I expect he came back a little to early in order to help Ireland qualify and then realised he needed a little more time to recover, nothing wrong with that.You jump to an awful lot of suspect conclusions, Tricky. He may have been injured prior to the game, but that doesn't mean you can assume he played against Iran with an injury. In fact, because he played the game, it would be more rational to assume he was fit to play. It's self-evident. If he was fit for the home leg, why wouldn't he have been fit enough to at least travel for the away leg? He played the full 90 minutes of the first leg. Had he aggravated the previous injury during the game, he'd have been taken off surely, but as Stutts highlighted, he returned to Manchester the very next morning. Did the FAI doctors check him after the first leg?
That's style alright!
Eh? Why bother even going to the World Cup given our reliance on Roy in qualifying? Why need he have bothered showing up for the qualifiers in the first place given our reliance on him? Sure, why bother do anything ourselves that might partly rely on the assistance of another?...
He was supposed to be our captain, wasn't he?
How was anyone to know how the fixture would pan out before it took place? I certainly know I was very tense in the lead-up. It wasn't going to be the walk-over you seem to have thought it was going to be. Stop dismissing the significance of the fixture in order to bolster your fantasy "Roy was right about everything" narrative. It's ridiculous. You can't assume the tie was over with a 2-0 home win and the second 90 minutes still to play in an incredibly hostile atmosphere in unfamiliar Tehran.
Doctor's are only human, they do not know how a patient feels, they can't prove someone feels well.
I would be interested to know the last time Ireland had a 2 goal lead in two legged match turned over, not very often I expect, if at all.
The problem is there is no evidence he feigned injury or did not want to play, it is very difficult to make
the case that Roy help Ireland to a 2-0 lead and then willfully chose to scupper their chance my missing the second leg. As I said before (I think) had he not wanted to play he could easily have missed both matches by playing up his injury and avoided having any accusations of feigning injury flung at him.
Seem to me he just did his best for Ireland without any regard to how it looked to the public, and that
fit in with the type of person he is, he is his own man and doesn't give a toss what the the press and public think, indeed I think he said the very same, something like why "should I bother what people think, I could be dead tomorrow?"
As for his captaincy, well he got his side tot he world cup finals, so one of our best captains in that respect.
Finally regarding suspect conclusion, their is big difference between me speculating he was unfit and other speculation he was fit, because my speculation is not casting aspersion on his character, not does it open me to allegation of libel or slander as saying he was feigninig injury.
So good job Roy is the the type to sue!
Actually Roy could, probably even now, sue Mick for libel or slander!!!
Actually Mick never accused Roy of faking injury. It was just a convenient exit strategy which finally fell onto Roy's lap.
But if you can find any evidence otherwise, Tricky??
Saipan has more myths out there than truths.
How many two-legged ties have we ever played? And on how many of those rare occasions, other than Iran, would we have had a two-goal lead to defend after the first leg? I'd guess about none. When we have managed to make it to the play-offs, our record hasn't been the greatest. Had we ever successfully navigated our way through a play-off prior to 2001 even? There would have been absolutely no reason whatsoever to have taken the tie as a foregone conclusion despite the two-goal lead. To do so would have been highly reckless.
Did Roy not go to Tehran, grow a beard and become president???
I wonder if he has any chance of making the squad of 25 in January? He doesn't strike me as a Pulis kind of player.
I was thinking the same thing when Pulis was appointed. Might be better off if he doesn't make the squad, than to make it and be rarely used.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-pulis-2956301
It would be disappointing if he wasn't given a chance after helping them get promoted.
He's a better than several midfielders in that squad.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...palace-2995019
Amusingly, Garvan could be reunited with Holloway at Millwall.
Awkward!
How the hell can Holloway try to sign Garvan after what went on???
Having said that I bet it will happen truth is always stranger than fiction, or something like that.
maybe the sexual tension was just too much and they had to sleep with each other to get it out of the way and now that that has happened, theyre fine.
I don't know, I don't have all the answers.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/ow...-29926056.html
Garvan's hopes of being named in the 25 man squad at the beginning of February have been hit by injury. He's on the recovery trail at the moment and hoping to impress Pulis.
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