Trapatonni and the Eircom League

**half_full** · 14/02/2008, 4:41 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

In reverse of your comment to Wangball I ask if you really believe that, and if you do then that's probably a fair reflection on why the Ole Ole crowd think this league and it's supporters are laughable

Yes, Cork/Drogheda have large talented squads. And as for the other teams I mentioned, yes they would be comfortable in League 1.

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

That is actually laughable

I didn't mean it as a literal squad, just players who have performed both domestically and in european competition over the last few years. Oh, and I forget to mention Owen Heary

**Flume** · 14/02/2008, 5:51 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

when you have the likes of Wednesday averaging 26,000 a week and they still struggle, a club getting 4-5,000 couldn't possibly survive for very long, it's simple economics

How is this even an argument? If your argument is based on the fact that we would actually be in the championship then surely the crowds would be far larger?

On the teams i think drogs and cork would survive in the championship rather easily. I think ourselves would be pushing the promotion spots in league 1 and the rest im not to sure abut.

On the international scene itself, Bohs murphy, cork's gamble, drog's gartland and our O'Cearuil.

**sullanefc** · 14/02/2008, 5:56 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Really?

You think every single club manager and scout in England "clearly hasn't a clue"? Rather a big claim, don't you think?

And you think that every single club manager and scout in England has seen them play?

**pineapple stu** · 14/02/2008, 6:04 PM

You've got a huge scouting system in England dedicated to finding gems of players at low cost to strengthen the team and hopefully sell on at a profit. I'd say a sizeable proportion of scouts have seen the top eL players.

**Wangball** · 14/02/2008, 6:29 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You've got a huge scouting system in England dedicated to finding gems of players at low cost to strengthen the team and hopefully sell on at a profit. I'd say a sizeable proportion of scouts have seen the top eL players.

Good post - Some British managers.....Jimmy Calderwood, Craig Levein spring to mind.....have gone as far as saying that they'd be specifically targetting the Irish Leagues because of the relatively low costs involved....since Kevin Doyle was hailed the next big thing that attention has probabl grown even further

**Wangball** · 14/02/2008, 6:37 PM

Originally Posted by joey4ireland

oh and Wangball this section is for real football fans not people who think they're Celtic fans so go away

Sorry I had completely forgotten that being a Celtic fan makes any point I make invalid, never mind the fact I lived in Glasgow for many years and was essentially just supporting my local team who just happen to be a big side with big players, a big stadium & big ambitions....if circumstances were a little different and I'd of lived elsewhere I could of been a fan of a half baked mickey mouse operation of a team....just like you

Sorry again...I'd forgotten myself and stepped onto that moral highground reserved for people from Cork, I'll just step back down now

**sullanefc** · 14/02/2008, 7:08 PM

Originally Posted by Wangball

Sorry again...I'd forgotten myself and stepped onto that moral highground reserved for people from Cork, I'll just step back down now

Wangball by name....

**Wangball** · 14/02/2008, 7:13 PM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Wangball by name....

............go on............

**pineapple stu** · 14/02/2008, 8:07 PM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Wangball by name....

Good argument. Get Given out - Quigley in!

**Wangball** · 14/02/2008, 8:26 PM

I for one am converted, whilst we're kicking Given out sure we may aswell replace Dunne with Gartland & Doyle with Zayed.....watch out Italy

**half_full** · 14/02/2008, 8:30 PM

No one ever said anything like that, but the likes of Gartland and Zayed should be considered equally to any other players for the Ireland squad. If they were playing Championship in England (which they could) you'd be raving about them.

**pineapple stu** · 14/02/2008, 8:36 PM

Even though Zayed went on trial with Crewe, then in Division One, a couple of seasons back (as in, after he'd broken through with Bray) and was rejected?

**half_full** · 14/02/2008, 8:37 PM

Eh, have you never thought he may have improved?

For instance I would rate Zayed higher than Elliot and Keogh

**Wangball** · 14/02/2008, 8:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

People also seem to be overlooking the fact that there are more senior internationals currently playing in the league than there has been for a long time.

Pats
O'Cearuil

Bohs
Crowe
Byrne

Cork
Healy
Farrelly
Gamble

Sligo
Alan Moore

Drogheda
Gartland (almost

)

Am I missing anyone?

Healy, Farrelly, Moore & O'Cearruil all won their caps whilst playing outside the EL....Gamble was capped on that stinking US Tour that also saw Lapira capped & Byrne's cap was a complete example of tokenism...only Crowe deserved his on merit when he was on fire playing for Bohs first time round

**half_full** · 14/02/2008, 8:43 PM

Originally Posted by Wangball

Healy, Farrelly, Moore & O'Cearruil all won their caps whilst playing outside the EL....Gamble was capped on that stinking US Tour that also saw Lapira capped & Byrne's cap was a complete example of tokenism...only Crowe deserved his on merit when he was on fire playing for Bohs first time round

Not having a go for the sake of it but Byrne was playing as well as Crowe was when he got his call up.

**Wangball** · 14/02/2008, 8:45 PM

Originally Posted by half_full

For instance I would rate Zayed higher than Elliot and Keogh

Then your crazy

**finnpark** · 14/02/2008, 8:47 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Even though Zayed went on trial with Crewe, then in Division One, a couple of seasons back (as in, after he'd broken through with Bray) and was rejected?

That means little. Southampton (with Strachan as manager) rejected Aiden McGeady. celtic rejected Shay Given. Everton rejected Richard Dunne. Shelbourne rejected Darrly Murphy. I think a good few LOI players are on a par with some of our regular Internationals especially in goals and indefense.

**half_full** · 14/02/2008, 8:49 PM

How?

How often have you seen Zayed?

I think Elliot has really gone backwards.

**pineapple stu** · 14/02/2008, 8:50 PM

All those rejections were while the player was very young, not while they were an established eL player. All those rejected were subsequently taken on by another club because they were good enough. Zayed wasn't because he isn't.

**Wangball** · 14/02/2008, 8:53 PM

I don't think that these players are all rubbish, The point I'm trying to make, going back to the 1st post, is that even though there may be very talented footballers in the EL right now, there are better playing in the Championship/League 1/League 2 & I can't see any EL player taking the step up and playing a role in our qualifying matches.....take for instance Keith Andrews at MK Dons, he's as good as midfielder as there in in League 1 & 2 and has arguably been MK Dons stand out player this season, yet if he were to come home & play for Bohs I have no doubt he'd look like a superstar (he's a pretty good player) & all of a sudden there'd be a clamour for him to be called up and when he wasn't people would say it was because he was an EL player despite the fact there was never a clamour for him to be called up or even put forward for a call up when he was with MK Dons