I've made my points above thank you. And i'm also giving a fellow poster some friendly advice about UCD fans and the way they argue.Originally Posted by pineapple stu
It's actually Poor Student who locks thread when he doesn't get his way, so apologies for accusing you of that.
Anyway, on topic, I can't believe people are criticising the FAI and Denis O'Brien for this great deal for Irish football. As someone said above, some people are never happy.
I find it amazing that people on this site are giving out about the FAI taking Denis O'Briens money. I mean look at Niall Quinn and his buddies investing in Sunderland. Its about time these businessmen invested in Irish football rather then in mickey mouse English teams.
Do you believe everything you read in the papers?
Today's press conference showed the poor standard of football journalism in this country.
Honest! I am not a secret Tim nor a closet Sham - I really am a Seagull.
You were dead right in principle anyway.
I don't mean to be personal Stu but you are pursuing a personal agenda on here and that's having a go at the FAI regardless of the fact that they have done well in this instance.
Who are you to say that Don Givens seems to understand nothing about management? He's forgotten more about football than you, or I, will ever know. Ray Houghton has played in some top class teams and coached at a good level as well. He's been around the game all his life. As for Don Howe...if you don't think he is an expert on the game of football, I suggest that you look at his CV. These fellas are all very good football men. They know the game, they've lived the game. You have no right to question them just because you have a gripe with the FAI.
Oh and SullaneFC, my post re the FAI taking money out of the grassroots was sarcastic!!
No, I don't think that fans have been too harsh on the FAI. It has been a mbadly run organisation for a long time now and has more negatives than positives. from ticket fiascos back in USA 94 to the management structure problems documented in the Genesis report, fans have had a right to voice their discontent. but it is a great day for Irish soccer with todays appointment and it is by miles the highlight of John Delaney's reign, so we'll give him that. Maybe it will help to usher in a new era of professionalism too.
Threads like these really get the FAI apologists out of the bushes anyways!
I'd say Givens' record with the U-21s shows he knows nothing about management.
But in any case, it was suggested that we had an expert panel to pick the new manager. I still haven't heard anything to back that up.
No you haven't. You've just moaned without knowing what you're talking about.
Still, nice to see you're also giving that fellow poster giving some friendly advice about Cork fans and the way they argue.
Last edited by pineapple stu; 13/02/2008 at 10:55 PM.
buffoons
Delaney is very smart though I dont personally trust the guy. That quango called a board of management are all in his pocket, always lookin for free biscuits, tea and expenses while the real board of eddie j, dennis and john d pull the wool over givens, and the free biscuit and expenses brigade. Give eddie, dennis and john oh add in Liam, eamon and johnny G and probably bill great credit though for the trappatoni no argueing there although when we are all sitting in the new lansdowne or croker bored with one man up front it might be a different story
And you know what you are talking about?? You're opinion is the be all and end all? Get off the UCD high horse will ya!
How does it show he knows 'nothing about management'?
Why are the three people not experts in your eyes? As I've said, these guys have played and coached at a high level, they've lived the game and not pontificated about it from behind a keyboard. In my eyes that makes them experts. What criteria do you use to classify an expert?
Givens is quoted in that article, a damning quote which fully supports my assertion. If you want to claim that it doesn't, or that he didn't say that, do so, and give your reasons.
Your post is hardly any more convincing than a stubborn school kid who's arguing a lost cause petulantly saying, "So?"
You can't spell failure without FAI
If you were told 4 months ago that the process would take 4 months and we would end up with a genuine world class manager, would you have been happy with that? Probably not, given that the last time we were promised a world class manager, we got Stan.
However, the FAI do deserve credit for this appointment, and may have even earned back some trust from that fans. Maybe.
I started a thread a few months ago asking a simple question - have the FAI done anything correctly? - and now I believe that we can add "appointing the successor to Steve Staunton" to the list.
This doesn't take away from any of their other (multiple) faillings, but in the short term it does offer hope that more will be done correctly in the future.
The ideal panel would be:
A recent player, understands the players etc. Houghton seems a relatively articulate guy (for a footballer) and is well respected in the game.
An older Irish football man who is invovled in footbal. Given the fact TV people were ineleiglbe, I can only really see Joe Kinnear and Eoin Hand (maybe) instead of Givens.
A non-Irish older guy with good links in footbal. Now given that it was likely that a UK based manager would be sought Howe is a respectd neutral football man in England. You could have replaced him with someone like David Pleat or Howard Wilkinson but I'm not sure there was much in it.
In the end the idea was to pick 3 available experts and they did that. It might have been nice to have someone with more continental knowledge but in the end Givens' Swiss connections seem to have been useful.
I'd have no objection with these 3 being picked again.
Givens' Swiss connections proved useful? You say this while we have a quote from Givens that he never approached Trappatoni? Who was, of course, managing in Austria?
Making stuff up now are we??? The newspaper I have in my hand says otherwise.
we're technically still paying Stan
Mind you Roy might be better keeping his Trap shut and when he has a few titles under his belt as a manager then he can talk about managers
if thats the case then we might as well shut down the forums although I have won every honour in championship manager therefore I'll keep the place going till you all get sorted with a few titles
Mind you Roy might be better keeping his Trap shut and when he has a few titles under his belt as a manager then he can talk about managers
just as an add on and staying off topic..Roy won a title in his first season as manager
Last edited by Ozymandias; 14/02/2008 at 1:25 PM.
Bring back the plank
It will be interesting what rent a quote has to say on this. What angle will he slag the FAI with. Will he slag them for taking money for an Irish investor ha ha !!! or will he slag them for getting a top class manager who has won it all in club football.
In Trap we trust
Or he could take Dolan's view that the FAI only hired a world class manager to keep the media onside.
Did Dolan really say that. That is a classic. Thats like saying to ones missus, you are only giving me a blowjob to keep me onside. Who cares one is getting a blow-job.
In Trap we trust
I know. I honestly thought Dolan had more cop on than that. Obviously not.
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