Have fans been too harsh on the FAI?

[cavan_fan]

What experts did we have finding a manager?

I see no-one's echoed Roy Keane's comments that we've just gone four months without paying a senior manager, thereby saving about E300k.

Who would you have had doing it?

[oconghc2]

What's wrong with that?

dont see anything wrong with it. My point is that if someone like obrien hadnt bailed out the fai, we would be stuck with venables, and we wouldnt b sat here glossing over the incompetencies of the organisation.

i am all for donations of this type. as someone has already said - it leaves more in the coffers for grass roots. However, it took o brien to approach the fai! I believe the fai should be actively seeking this type of fund raising and not bumbling along until something like this falls into their lap!

I am delighted with the appointent and i think some credit is due, but it still does not change my view on the fai!

[pineapple stu]

Who would you have had doing it?

I don't see how that's relevant, to be honest. You suggested that we had a panel of experts picking the manager, and I challenged that assertion.

[cavan_fan]

I don't see how that's relevant, to be honest. You suggested that we had a panel of experts picking the manager, and I challenged that assertion.

All 3 of them understand football, have good contacts and were available. They are just the right sort of people to do this job. If nothing else the outcome shows this.

[pineapple stu]

Can they judge a manager?

You're seriously suggesting they were experts because they were available?

Don Givens was a very good footballer, but seems to understand next to nothing about management, so your point that the understand football is irrelevant.

[NeilMcD]

Also Delaney has said that even if O Brien did not put the money up they still would have got Trappatoni and would have matched his wages. So in effect what O Brien has done is give money to the grassroots of Football in Ireland that otherwise would have been spent on Trappatoni's wages.

[Ireland4ever]

Also Delaney has said that even if O Brien did not put the money up they still would have got Trappatoni and would have matched his wages. So in effect what O Brien has done is give money to the grassroots of Football in Ireland that otherwise would have been spent on Trappatoni's wages.

Excellent point.

[pineapple stu]

Also Delaney has said that even if O Brien did not put the money up they still would have got Trappatoni and would have matched his wages.

Heard that alright, but he also said that O'Brien's money allowed them to substantially raise the bar in the search for the new manager. Those two statements are mutually exclusive.

[NeilMcD]

No they are not, because what he is saying is that at the time it raised the bar for who Ireland could look for etc and when they were sounding out potential manager. However he said that if the board came back to him with the name Trappatoni he would have made sure the money was available. I think what that means is, that if Paul Jewell or Billy Davies did not like our wages, well then tough **** but if Trappatoni did not like our wages of half a million or something like that, well then we can negotiate. I think what he was saying is that sometimes for a really exceptional candidate you go the whole hog.

[sullanefc]

Yeah it's totally ruined the appointment on me that Don Howe wasn't at the press conference. And accepting a donation? F**k me, how stupid are the FAI. They should have told O'Brien where to go and taken some of the money they have put into the eircom League or grassroots football to fund the manager. Idiots the lot of them.

Are you for real?? This isn't the English FA with bags of money we are talking about its the FAI. If someone is offering a donation then why turn it down?

As for taking money out of the grass roots and eL to pay Trappatoni just proves to me what knowledge and regard you have for the development of Irish football.

[Ireland4ever]

Heard that alright, but he also said that O'Brien's money allowed them to substantially raise the bar in the search for the new manager. Those two statements are mutually exclusive.

Not neccessarily, maybe the FAI were willing to pay in excess of what they are giving trappattoni. But since they said that they would have got trappatoni regardless of the money indicates that they had the funds in the first place, and now there's money left over from what they expected to pay.

[KevB76]

Are you for real?? This isn't the English FA with bags of money we are talking about its the FAI. If someone is offering a donation then why turn it down?

As for taking money out of the grass roots and eL to pay Trappatoni just proves to me what knowledge and regard you have for the development of Irish football.

I think you may have missed the blatant sarcasm in his post

[cavan_fan]

Can they judge a manager?

You're seriously suggesting they were experts because they were available?

Don Givens was a very good footballer, but seems to understand next to nothing about management, so your point that the understand football is irrelevant.

I am saying that they were as good as anyone I can think of. All 3 know more about football than anyone on here. Again, name one person who would have been better.

[sullanefc]

I think you may have missed the blatant sarcasm in his post

maybe

[pineapple stu]

Not neccessarily, maybe the FAI were willing to pay in excess of what they are giving trappattoni. But since they said that they would have got trappatoni regardless of the money indicates that they had the funds in the first place, and now there's money left over from what they expected to pay.

It's very easy now to say they would have paid the money regardless.

Delaney said the money from O'Brien enabled them to expand their search upwards. That to me clearly indicates that Trappatoni wasn't someone they would have been looking at, due to financial constraints, until the money arrived in November.

All 3 know more about football than anyone on here.

That constitutes an expert now, does it?

[cavan_fan]

That constitutes an expert now, does it?

What would an expert be? You dont have to name names.

[Ireland4ever]

It's very easy now to say they would have paid the money regardless.

Delaney said the money from O'Brien enabled them to expand their search upwards. That to me clearly indicates that Trappatoni wasn't someone they would have been looking at, due to financial constraints, until the money arrived in November.


That constitutes an expert now, does it?

Fair point, but we've got a top class manager for half the price, HAPPY DAYS!

[pineapple stu]

Fair point, but we've got a top class manager for half the price, HAPPY DAYS!

Agree 100%.

[sullanefc]

I don't see how that's relevant, to be honest. You suggested that we had a panel of experts picking the manager, and I challenged that assertion.

All 3 of them understand football, have good contacts and were available. They are just the right sort of people to do this job. If nothing else the outcome shows this.

Can they judge a manager?

You're seriously suggesting they were experts because they were available?

Don Givens was a very good footballer, but seems to understand next to nothing about management, so your point that the understand football is irrelevant.

Heard that alright, but he also said that O'Brien's money allowed them to substantially raise the bar in the search for the new manager. Those two statements are mutually exclusive.

I am saying that they were as good as anyone I can think of. All 3 know more about football than anyone on here. Again, name one person who would have been better.

I'd say give it up cavan_fan. You won't be able to talk him out of his negative ways. If you keep going he will probably just lock the thread anyway as it suits him.

[pineapple stu]

I'd say give it up cavan_fan. You won't be able to talk him out of his negative ways. If you keep going he will probably just lock the thread anyway as it suits him.

What are you talking about?!

How can I lock this thread?

Have you any actual points to make?!