Journalists/Hack membership of site.

**dahamsta** · 07/02/2008, 8:40 PM

I'm well aware that Aberdonian Stu is a journalist, and I've never had a problem with his behaviour in the past. This issue was brought to his attention and he's committed not to link to his articles again without noting that he's the author, and to limit it to discussions he's active in.

I have difficulty understanding your position in this HarpoJoyce. It's blatantly obvious that you started this thread before reporting Aberdonian Stu's post on purpose, which seems an awful lot of effort for a relatively minor transgression. You wouldn't have an axe to grind by any chance?

adam

**HarpoJoyce** · 07/02/2008, 10:25 PM

No, no axe to grind. Only that I know and have meet journalists in the past.
Describing them as Hacks is as communal punishment as I get with them. The US presidential Thread (post#174) reminded me of journalists in the community. So I asked some specific questions of Foot.ie

It was only the very Black and White stance which yourself and other posters took on the subject which alerted me to what Aberdeen Stu had actual done ( linking an article he wrote himself). Not much of a coincidence if he and other journalists are doing this frequently.

He broke your own rules. It appears you are not punishing him, as you expressed earlier in this thread, because he is a favoured regular poster. The punishment is too harsh anyway. In this thread you agree with banning journalists for spamming or promoting their articles unatributed and in your last post you describe it as a relatively minor transgression. This may be described as contradictory of journalistic proportions.

You are aware Aberdeen Stu is journalist. I am aware Aberdeen Stu is a journalist. It should be appropiate that other posters also have the right to that information. Other posters should know which posters are journalists and which posters can be trusted.

Journalists welcome the segregation they enjoy inside sports stadiums. I am not asking for journalists to use their real names but that posters are aware whether the other poster is a journalist perhaps through a small symbol on their name.

You have created and continue to manage a very neat football forum. You should be very proud. Don't be afraid to continue to empower football fans.

**osarusan** · 08/02/2008, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

Other posters should know which posters are journalists and which posters can be trusted.

I don't think the two are in any way mutually exclusive. When you say "trusted" what do you mean? Trusted to do what?

I didn't know that Aberdonian Stu was a journalist, and now that I do, I don't care. Previously I thought he was an intelligent and well-"spoken" poster, and I still think that.

I can see that you think his linking an article that he himself wrote is a bit underhand, but I think you've overreacted to it. Having read the thread and the article, it didn't come seem to me as though he was trying to generate publicity for himself. The article didn't seem out of place, and was relevant to the discussion. It was not spam of any kind. Indeed, I doubt many people would even look at the name of the person who wrote the articles which are linked on foot.ie.

You've won a concession from Dahamsta, in that he (and others, I expect) will be asked to specify this fact when linking to an article they wrote. In fact, I think it is a good decision by Dahamsta.

But not everything a journalist says is a reflection of their job or their organisation. To have them identified by some symbol is overreaction in the extreme.

Every poster on here has an agenda, usually to convince other posters that they are right, their opinion is correct. Journalists don't always have to have another agenda.

If people are warned, as you'd like, that a certain poster is a journalist, what would that warning be? "This poster is actually a journalist so................"

**dahamsta** · 08/02/2008, 12:46 AM

I'd hardly call AS's post "spam".

**R�iteoir** · 08/02/2008, 9:54 AM

we could get harpo to chose the symbol.

he'll probably pick a yellow star or something similar...

**Aberdonian Stu** · 08/02/2008, 9:55 AM

As I said to dahamsta already I do admit that I should have cited it was my work and I apologise to anyone that was mislead and will endeavour to make it obvious in future.

The reason I added the link was solely to aid the query of the individual I was quoting. I knew I had done something on this so I figured it might be of use to them. I wrote the post without seeing Harpo's as I just hit the quote button on the post I was replying to and did not see any further posts responding to it. This was an error on my part and I should have looked on further.

I rarely link to articles I wrote and any I have linked to were in direct relation to the topic at hand because otherwise then I would be spamming.

**superfrank** · 08/02/2008, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

Journalists welcome the segregation they enjoy inside sports stadiums. I am not asking for journalists to use their real names but that posters are aware whether the other poster is a journalist perhaps through a small symbol on their name.

In that case, I want to know if any Gardai are members of this site. They may have an agenda to go out and look for football hooligans who use websites.

This is supposed to be a site for football fans. It shouldn't be segregated whatsoever. Most of the people who sign up for this website are here to talk about football. Like I said earlier, journalists are football fans too, as are Gardai, civil servants and any other profession that foot.ie users may happen to be.

**dahamsta** · 08/02/2008, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by R�iteoir

we could get harpo to chose the symbol.

he'll probably pick a yellow star or something similar...

ROFL!

**Poor Student** · 09/02/2008, 5:18 PM

Here's one of the few times I can remember AS linking his own work and he attributed it to himself: http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=740961&postcount=3 .

**Magicme** · 11/02/2008, 10:45 AM

So what about people who are "journalists" for their club. I am the media officer of Mons and write pieces and post them here. Am I going to be allowed to do that? I also write pieces for other newspapers in the form of notes and sometimes articles and match reports.

I am now working for a newspaper, but not in a journalistic capacity, but does that mean I can not comment on things to do with Mons?

Just flagging all of the above so no-one can accuse me of being underhand!!

**Bluebeard** · 11/02/2008, 2:44 PM

I hope the fact that I am reporting back everything that is said here to the Kremlin doesn't preclude me from being involved?

Do I get a Red Star?

**dahamsta** · 11/02/2008, 3:13 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

So what about people who are "journalists" for their club. I am the media officer of Mons and write pieces and post them here.

Our usual policy on content that's sourced from elsewhere is to allow a quote from the piece, with a link back to the original if possible. I reckon the same should apply in this case.

adam /pats bluebeard on the head

**Magicme** · 11/02/2008, 3:51 PM

So does that mean no more posting the Mons notes in full in the Mons thread?

**dahamsta** · 11/02/2008, 4:32 PM

I thought I was being pretty clear there. Are they posted on the Mons website?

EDIT: Actually, to bring it down to brass tacks, do you or they own the copyright? If them, of if they have an exclusive licence to it, you need to ask them. If you, you can do what you want with it.

adam

**John83** · 11/02/2008, 4:35 PM

Originally Posted by dahamsta

Our usual policy on content that's sourced from elsewhere is to allow a quote from the piece, with a link back to the original if possible. I reckon the same should apply in this case.

I assumed that was for copyright purposes. Here, the copyright holder wants to post the whole thing, which is legally fine. Do you just prefer to be consistent?

**dahamsta** · 11/02/2008, 4:39 PM

See edit above.

**Magicme** · 11/02/2008, 4:42 PM

I write them so therefore I own them. I update the website, email them to the press at large and post them on here as an extra bonus for people too lazy to go to our site to read them.

**dahamsta** · 11/02/2008, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by Magicme

I write them so therefore I own them.

Just for the record, that's not necessarily the case for everyone. If someone writes something while in the employ of someone the content doesn't belong to the writer, it belongs to the employer.

If you do it as a favour or freelance it's a different scenario of course, although even that's not clear cut. There should always be a written copyright agreement to cover everyone's ass.

adam