QuoteThe fact that you have(or at least should have) a life?Originally Posted by eekers
Your conscience?
The fact that you have(or at least should have) a life?
Life without Rovers, it makes no sense...it's a heartache...nothing but a fools game. S.R.F.C.
Didn't Venables win the league cup and finish runner up in the European cup in 86? The site doesn't mention that which is pretty slack from the people who did it. Did they type in the CV's from the daily Star or something?
Trap has a great record with the 3 big Italian clubs that win nearly everthing every year in Italy - he also had some of the worlds best player at his disposal. As for the football was his style defensive and boring.....is the way he plays any different than Geogre Graham?
I'm not in one camp or the other I just think that the gap between Trap and TV isn't as big as some people make out.Were QPR, Spurs or Palace ever going to win the league in the last 30 years - you bet your arse they weren't no matter who was managing them.
I want to person in the job that can get the best reuslts for us - simple as that.
And you'd favour Venables over Trap why? Benfica have won the Portuguese league once in the last 14 years. That was in Trap's only season with the club 2 years ago. Benfica had a very similar squad of players to us. Their defense wasn't great. They played the nippy Nuno Gomez up front. Simao was one of the 3 players behind him. Geovanni another. The guy Stephen Ireland keeps out of the Man City team. And the other was a full back turned attacking midfielder. He gave a young box to box midfielder his chance and made him a regular as one of the 2 central midfielders. Petit held midfield. That's a very attacking lineup on paper but obviously his tactics are conservative. Also, Luisao of that Benfica team was in the papers this week praising him.
I do really think we could field a similar quality team to Benfica's in that 4-2-3-1 system.
Last edited by eirebhoy; 08/02/2008 at 8:45 PM.
According to Chatsoccer Trap has no intention of being interviewed. Any potential meeting with the amigos will be at his behest (if he is really interested in the job. I don't think he is). Meanwhile back at Migo HQ the 3 lads interviewed B.Davies today. Again according to chatsoccer the interview was a lengthy one. Something is amiss with the top 2 bookies favs. Bondvillian might be right with his Trap not interested and the ABV's within the FAI.
When did I say thay??!! I'm simply making the point that the site appeared to leave out some basic facts on TV.
No doubt Trap has a better record. I posted some of my concerns on this site last Sunday as to how things might turn out less than perfect with Trap.......based on what may happen......
There are no guarantees in football management.
Sorry. The George Graham comment caught me.
I think the most relevant bit is "Let me say that if he did not wish to be considered we would have heard it loud and clear from him". Whether he wants to be interviewed or not, he's certainly interested in the job.
But the next line isThats a pretty big leap. That's 'Weapons of mass distruction' press release territory, that is:As it stands he and his close confidants are very tight lipped and so we must assume he wants the job,
"He hasn't said he doesnt want it, therefore he must want it".
No one in the media would dare suggest that although he may be flattered being considered at his age for an International job after seemingly retiring to Austria to wind down his career in a non-media hotspot, he may just be keeping quiet as the rumour has seemingly become inseperable from fact, and constant interruption is affecting his ability to do his contracted day job (witness the unadulterated muppetry of Star journalists travelling to Saltzburg to stand pointlessly beside him for an oul photo during a training session....)
In the bigger picture, if we are to take "No official contact + silence = interest", we can further assume that since Scolari hasn't said he doesn't want it , nor has Jose, nor Alex Ferguson, they all must want it, as we can safely assume there has been no official contact with them either, and, hey! they're all "tight lipped" on the subject too....
Jaysus. There was me thinking we were going to be stuck with a choice between Venables and anyone but venables, when in reality, every A-lister in football wants the gig!
Woo-Hoo! Happy days!
(Ok, Im taking the p!ss, but in fairness, I think that the general acceptance of Givens & Co's ability to nab Trap as the anti-venables is giving the FAI far too much credit, and we're setting ourselves up for a mighty disappointment when either Candidate Venables or Candidate "Oh God, anyone but Venables" is eventually appointed.)
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
I just can't see any reason why he wouldn't deny all the speculation out straight if he didn't want the job. Unless he enjoys playing the media.
btw, I know you're going to the extreme to emphasise your point but there's no comparison. The Irish media are not over in Portugal asking Scolari or Mourinho questions. They are over in Austria though and have met Trap but still no denial.
Last edited by eirebhoy; 08/02/2008 at 10:49 PM.
I do really think that may be it. A radio report during the week affirmed that he was a genuine enough bloke, with little or no frills, but that his ego is undeniably massaged by his sudden reappearance in the international media (particularly in Italy's hallowed sport pages, considering large sections of the media there still rate him poorly after his WC escapades) after apparently retiring below their horizon to a lesser viewed league. Who could blame him?
Or, who's to say he isn't pulling a Cloughie and using the FAI as a bargaining tool to negotiate one more well paid year in Austria?
He'd have no new language to learn, there'd be no upsetting the wife, no flights to rainy Dublin, no listening to John Delaney making that lying noise when his lips move, just a pleasant retirement in the Alps at age 70 with a large wedge of cash to sleep on....
Whatever the reason is, I do think it has very little to do with the FAI committee's negotiation skills...
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
I can't get my head round the reason for the Davies interview today. Davies knows that Trap and Venables are the bookies favs so why would he put himself through this process unless someone has led him to believe that he has some chance of getting the job.
Maybe he just believes in himself. Like anything really, there's no such thing as too many interviews or job applications.
trap beating tel by more than 10 to 1 on www.trapVtel.com - good to see the fans voting and all votes going direct to the FAI
I don't really know how I feel about every vote going directly to the FAI, things like this have happened before with charitable organisations. Ever get emails along the lines of "add your name to the following petition, and if your position on the list ends in zero (i.e. 10, 20, 30, etc) please forward it to the following address"?
These just waste time and bandwidth for the charity concerned, and end up getting ignored.
While we do want to influence the FAI to make the right decision, we don't want to annoy them in the process
So, you're saying this novelty site has produced about 200 emails on the same subject with the same text which have been sent unsolicited to the FAI in the last 48 hours?
Do you not think their ould spam trap would have it sussed by now?
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
And, as a follow up, isn't email bombardment illegal now? I mean, sending them the results of your poll in one unsolicited email is one thing, but sending them individual emails for each vote in a poll they neither commissioned nor opted into is quite another...
If all the emails say the same thing and are all coming from the same domain, surely that could be legally classed as harassment, couldnt it?
Never mind. I assume that this was well thought out and that you have yourself , your motives and your identity well protected in advance of any Garda investigation the FAI may choose to instigate.
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
thats actually quite interesting about the unsolicited emails and harassment bit but i'd just take you back to a precedent set when senator shane ross encouraged the whole country to send sh1tty nappies to the minister in charge of the groceries bill...was that not harassment? I'm sure the minister in question did not solicit them...and anyway, if the FAI want to make a song and dance out of listening to the fans views on who we want as next manager I'm sure they'll look even bigger fools than they are.
And what happened the original thread regarding www.trapVtel.com?
Yes, the Ross episode was considered incitement to harrassment.That was pretty much why, despite many people actually agreeing with him in principle, he was roundly criticised for suggesting such a thing (not actually going ahead with it it himself, you'll notice. Subtle difference there, "incitement". And as he did not actually deliver 200 soiled nappies personally to the relevant minister, it cant really be considered a precedent for what you're currently doing), even though most knew , that unlike an electronic email, a full nappy would be difficult to courier to an agreed destination.
I dont personally think what you're doing is correct, but each to his own. I just think you should be careful, e-law & the abuse thereof is a minefield.
Regarding your original thread and its wherabouts, it was assimilated into the relevant existing thread discussing the merits of potential (realistically or not) Irish managers. As this one no doubt will be.
Last edited by Bondvillain; 09/02/2008 at 11:07 PM.
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
I don't think they use one as it would block all outgoing mail tish boom
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