QuoteTraps only reaching his peak them Italians live well into there 90s,remeber that add on telly about the butter
Is anyone worried about Traps age? I admit that he is a far better candidate than El Tel but we dont want another Bobby Robson situation. Also I know Trapatoni has a great record but recently I dont think its as good.
Last edited by viagogo; 04/02/2008 at 6:52 PM. Reason: Pressed Return to early
Traps only reaching his peak them Italians live well into there 90s,remeber that add on telly about the butter
Just read an article on the BBC website saying that Salzburg expect the Trapmeister to stay on until his contract expires at the end of this season, and he apparently has assured them that this is his intention, although this doesn't rule him out of the Ireland job I don't really think that suits us, it wouldn't be right for his 1st game in charge to be the Georgia match in September he'd need a settling in period & some friendlies to hone his squad selection (in an ideal world he would of been appointed 2 months ago) and to begin moulding the teams style of play...this aside if we have to wait until September for the new manager that means we'd have to put up with that egotistical, pig ignorant excuse of a manager for 2/3 more friendlies....I'd sooner take Venables or Brady on their own right now that put up with his media grand standing
here's the article I referred to -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/foot...ls/7227106.stm
Last edited by Wangball; 04/02/2008 at 7:23 PM. Reason: I can't write good
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I think Trap's the man. He'll instill a culture that Irish football will never have experienced before. If you ask me I think that is what some players are afraid of and are mooting retirement. The old Mickey Mouse culture of beering on a Sunday or whenever they could before an international will evaporate very quickly with Trappatoni on board. Put Brady in the mix, with his Arsenal background, and it's a gonner for sure.
The players are overstating the communication idea. Half of them can't even communicate properly so why are they citing it as a problem with Trappatoni. Anyway Brady will be there. He speaks Italian, so problem solved. I think they want Venables because he's a Jack the lad and the players want this maverick culture. It's sort of like Jol and Ramos at Spurs. The bellies and shoddy performances dissapeared when Ramos had bedded in.
It's hard to know what's going to happen. If players want to retire, so be it. I hope it's Trappatoni, but still expect Venables. There has to be another twist in this for sure. If Coppell was sacked tomorrow, would he come into it?
'And Crouch must score'
Originally Posted by Wangball
He can manage us against Serbia in May and Norway in August so please tell me how his first game would be against Georgia. Also we could also organise more than 1 friendly in May and June before Euro 2008 with the teams who have qualified. So not sure what your point is now.
In Trap we trust
I think the players retiring is just bull. What are they afraid off success ? We should be biting Trapatoni's hand off, his CV speaks volumes and the fact that it iwas in different countries show's he must be able to adapt himself. The players really have to have a reality check. If cant be arsed to play for your country then close the door on your way out. It is not a chore. It seems for many that success is being mid table in the Premiership who cares if you dont win anything or go to any international tournamentsIf players want to retire, so be it. I hope it's Trappatoni, but still expect Venables
It may surprise you but I don't actually support Stuttgart.
Interesting comments though, few of us here have any close up experience of Trap, just what we know about him from afar.
I thought I had made a decent summary case why he may or may not be good as manager,and also how any support was qualified.
I'd prefer (or have preferred) Coppell, Hodgson, Houllier or Jol over either of them. My fear over Trap is that he'd just be too alien for what our players know but if they take to him then maybe we can collect a few ugly wins away from home for a change. My fear over Venables is that while the players will enjoy his tenure I'm not sure he has a plan that can see us successful in the banana skin games in our group.
Who knows? Now that my preferred candidates are out of the way, I'd be happy with either, but I admit that seeing my childhood hero Liam Brady involved would excite me.
I really cant see much of a flaw in the Trap and Brady and Gentilli management team.
In Trap we trust
It really is a straight-forward choice between:
The "Ha-ha-ha, pis-up" dentist chairmanager, or a multi-title winning radical.
I will go for Trappattoni. He will join after the Austrian season finishes, and have some English by then. It won't be just knife-wielding maniacs in Tblisi that Zinedine Kilbane will be worrying about, if that's the case.
Oh it so isn't.It really is a straight-forward choice between:
The "Ha-ha-ha, pis-up" dentist chair
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
We're very weak defensively, even more so now following recent retirements. We need a coach that has clearly demonstrated his strengths in this area of the game and Trap fits the bill.
We also need somebody that can organise the side both on and off the field. There needs to be a clear break in the current culture surrounding the squad and a radical reassessment to how things are done would be very beneficial IMO. Stan brought a "holiday-style, Mick Bryne" atmosphere to the international set-up and the first thing the new manager needs to do is get rid of this. I don't believe that TV has the required motivation to meet the job description in this regard. Trap can, however, I believe change our mindset to how things are done and this is what we need.
I just get the feeling that TV would be here to coach team, take his paycheck and nothing more. Trap, on the other hand, would bring about a change in culture and a firm sense of direction.
If Trap is appointed we should allow him to dictate how he wants things done. None of this forcing Brady on him and I doubt he'd accept the job if this was the case.
Trapattoni's international record: Rubbish
2002 world cup
In Group G, Croatia, and Ecuador all beat each other once. But the Italians' draw against group winners Mexico, while the other two lost to the North Americans, gave the three-time World Cup champions second place in the group.
Followed by a scraped win against the aussies courtesy of a questionable penalty, followed by a loss against the Koreans....no matter what excuses are raised here it's still a tournament exit against South Korea, who were easily dispatched in the semis by a very ordinary German side.
Euro 2004
Main article: UEFA Euro 2004 - Group C
TeamPts PldWDLGFGAGD
Sweden 5312083+5
Denmark 5312042+2
Italy 5312032+1
Bulgaria 0300319−8
This man's achievements are all a long long time ago; you could argue he has done nothing anywhere since 1989.
When was the last time Trap was out of a job?? What does this tell us?
Jack charlton won one game in nine at the world cup and he's a legend here, stats can be misleading. Honesetly what do yee guys want, i guarantee if alex ferguson were mooted people would pick faults with him. As norn iron would say 'were not brazil were ireland'....to attract a manager of the calibre and record of trappatoni would be fantastic. Considering we had to live off the scraps in the past this would be an amazing capture......
Marge: Homer, the plant called. They said if you don't show up tomorrow don't bother showing up on Monday.
Homer: Woo-hoo. Four-day weekend
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Trappattoni+Tardelli+Brady=Holy Trinity of Irish Football
You can't really though!!
Right, so it's clear you don't want Trapp... Is Venables a better option? Who do you think we can realistically appoint?
That was 2006, not 2002. In 2002, the defeat to Korea was in the second round, not the q-Final.
You could argue that, but you'd be wrong. Since 1989, he has qualified a national team for 2 successive tournaments, the 2002 World Cup and 2004 European Championships. I'd say most Irish fans would be thrilled were he to repeat that achievement with Ireland.
Last edited by osarusan; 05/02/2008 at 8:37 AM.
[quote=del_carroll;870435]2002 world cup
In Group G, Croatia, and Ecuador all beat each other once. But the Italians' draw against group winners Mexico, while the other two lost to the North Americans, gave the three-time World Cup champions second place in the group.
Followed by a scraped win against the aussies courtesy of a questionable penalty, followed by a loss against the Koreans....no matter what excuses are raised here it's still a tournament exit against South Korea, who were easily dispatched in the semis by a very ordinary German side.
Euro 2004
Main article: UEFA Euro 2004 - Group C
TeamPts PldWDLGFGAGD
Sweden 5312083+5
Denmark 5312042+2
Italy 5312032+1
Bulgaria 0300319−8
This man's achievements are all a long long time ago; you could argue he has done nothing anywhere since 1989.[/quote]
Looking at his record rational people couldnt/wouldnt argue that, but hey when has anyone on this forum been accused of being rational!
Marge: Homer, the plant called. They said if you don't show up tomorrow don't bother showing up on Monday.
Homer: Woo-hoo. Four-day weekend
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Trappattoni+Tardelli+Brady=Holy Trinity of Irish Football
have you noticed how many new posters we are getting on here, the main objective being to dismiss Trapattoni's track record? Do they work for (or friends of) Fanning and other El Tel supporters?!
"If God had meant football to be played in the air, he'd have put grass in the sky." Brian Clough.
You'll NEVER beat the Irish.......you'll just draw with us instead!!!
A conspiracy theory. I like it
I want to dismiss Trapattoni's record, becasue I live in Stuttgart, am a VFB and Ireland fan, and I don't want to see him as manager of the Irish national team...As an aside I had a log-in here ages ago but it was removed, because I'm normally just a reader, no time for posting....
I'd like to have an argument based on facts and, as I have had first hand with Trapattoni than most (anyone?) on this board, I thought I'd offer my tuppence worth....you don't have to read it if your afraid of being manipulated by El Tel's fifth column
So; what has Trap done since 1989?
NTW Qualifying a football super power for a tournament doesn't count...neither does winning the austrian league with a shedload of cash.
Ask Grojkaer and Tomasson about him:
At the beginning of February 2006, Grønkjær and Tomasson openly criticised Trapattoni as "lacking the will to attack and win." The criticism came after 12 drawn games out of 20, and although Trapattoni wanted to assert his authority and benched both players in the next game, he himself was fired the very next day, on 9 February 2006"
This is not the man to nurture our current generation of exciting young players...and if he comes it will also spell the end of Duff and Keane who promised so much in 2002.
Would you not ask yourself why he has been only able to find work in the austrian league; it's not right to name-drop clubs he's been involved with and conclude that, well, he must be good.
If you don't know his name, and your were told we were getting the manager of Salzburg as international coach; would you be happy?
The fact is that he is there, because he does not have what is takes to manage at the top level any more...
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