QuoteAh no! He has Alzheimers?Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Fúck that then.
Sorry but he has done it with the best players and average players he has won 19 trophies to Venables 2. Venables has also failed to qualify which Trappatoni has not. There is no way you can say Venables is a better manager than Trappatoni because he is not. THe only valid concern is the ability to get his ideas across to the players. His record ****ess all over Venables. When was the last time Venables won a tropy 1991, 17 years ago, when did Trappatoni win one 2007.
South Korea robbed Italyl of a place in the quarter finals and Sweden and Denmark managed to fix a 2-2 draw and Italy went out unbeaten with five points. Now they were not his finest hours but on the back of that he has won the leauge with Bayen, Juve Inter, Benfica and Salzburg.
As Tom Humphries has said, he has forgotton more about football then all the other candidates have ever known.
In Trap we trust
Ah no! He has Alzheimers?
Fúck that then.
On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"
And they nearly did.
Although the ref made misstakes that doesnt tell the whole story. His defensive tactics were at fault for Italys poor showing. It was a poor Korea team no matter how fit Gus had them.
Listen I dont think it matters who manages our team as we aint going through anyway.
I'd personaly want Venables as when we dont qualify id rather is was because we had a go rather that sat back and let teams beat us.
El Tel may not get the job, but I seriously doubt Trap will get it so I dont think i have much to worry about.
MD
Do you not think that we should get the best man for the job who will give us the best chance of us getting through rather than your loser attitude which belongs more to the 1950s Ireland rather than today. Bulgaria are no great shakes and with decent organisation and leadership and a gameplan we can certainly come second in this group.
In Trap we trust
Trappatoni would be a far better appointment than Venables. With or without Brady I dont care, anyone but El Tel will do for me!
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i believe that spending big on a name like Trap is pointless, just as England have done.
If the wage difference between Trap and venables was spend in developing ground/grounds or training facilities in the EL I believe it would be better spend as a whole.
Just as a gut feeling I dont think Trap will do well, I dont think our players are technical enough to play in his systems.formations. I honestly believe Venables would be a better appointment.
But I'll support whoever gets it
Last edited by mrtndvn; 04/02/2008 at 2:49 PM. Reason: sure why not?
MD
There is a set budget for the Ireland manager I dont think its going to work that Trap will get more than Venables or vice versa.
In Trap we trust
I think traps C.V. demans a big wage. Hes said to be on 4 million with Red Bull, why would be come to Ireland for 1 million which I think I heard we are offering?
MD
I heard he's on less at Red Bull, c. 1 million, so the two salaries are comparable.
I doubt the Trapattoni speculation would have gained such momentum if the FAI package is likely to be so far short of what Trapattoni would expect. It's been well documented that the FAI can pay around 1 million plus bonuses, maybe more if justified.
That aside, I can't argue with your gut feeling that Trap may not be the man. I'd have some doubts too. On paper he's clearly the guy, but sometimes you've got to go with your instinct.
his age? unfinished business on the international stage? all hypothetical of course...
zombie/thread killer..
Just to add, if it was my club Derry City that had the choice of the two, I'd pick Trap everytime as he would then have the chance on the training ground to make the players play the way he wanted them to.
He won't get this with Ireland tho.
MD
I think people querying the motives or commitment of either candidate can point to unfinished business. Each is loaded at this stage, I reckon they both have a feeling that getting qualification with Ireland would fill the last real gap in the CV.
Just a thought: let's assume we won't win the group. We'll have to win a play off against who by definition will be a good team. Who'd you like in charge of a tight 2 legged affair? For me I think it'd be the Italian.
Maybe he wants his last hurrah to be sticking one over on his compatriots and then say "Shad upiya face" when they boo him!!
Let's make him an offer he can't refuse!!!!!!
No, I remember watching Italy in 2002. The full-backs rarely ventured beyond the half-way line. Wingers tracked back and the centre of the pitch was packed. Also, Italy had Christian Vieri back then, who was absolutely lethal at set-peices. We have no big fella who can win headers and crosses.I think your mistaking the tactically intelligent defensive Italian football with the 100% pure guts and effort of British defensive football.Keane, McGeady and another wouldn't be required to track back much at all. He plays counter attacking football so you can't have all the players back defending. Doyle probably wouldn't make Trap's team, he likes the 4-2-3-1 system.
Like someone already stated, this might be the sort of game you could play during a play-off or in the knockout stages. If we play like that during the group stages, I can definitely see us dropping points all over the gaff.
was that the game that Toshack was the manager with his translator Mouinhio
In Trap we trust
I really think that anybody that wants Venables over Trappatoni is genuinely nuts. Trappatoni is by no means guaranteed success but his record is exceptional and it's not as though the man who we believe is his main rival for the job has a CV that even comes close to his.
Who is this Mouinhio person that you speak of? I thought we were talking about football here.was that the game that Toshack was the manager with his translator Mouinhio
I know nothing of his style to be perfectly honesy. But you can't have such a varied cv with success in so many countries without being a versatile manager. You can't base the mans whole footballing ethos on a couple of games in 2002.
Plus Given the full backs we're stuck with now, it's probbly just as well they're not allowed past the half way line
Last edited by dr_peepee; 04/02/2008 at 3:40 PM.
He is a player who plays for Portugal in Pro Ev football for copyright reasons they are not allowed to use the full name.
In Trap we trust
Like Roy Keen and Ronaldonho?
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