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    This is an interesting one. Head to Head, Trap and terry.

    Trap obviously has a few years on the bold Terry who is much heavier and has a longer reach. But Trap seems more vicious and could turn this into a brawl. Its a tough one to call but for sheer power alone I'd go for the cockney wide boy.
    I think I should the parachute, because I'm great.

    In fact, I think I should get both parachutes, in case one doesn't work.

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    Without doubt I would say the TRAP door will be open for him .

    HE'S THE MAN ........

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    Head to head: Trap versus Venables

    Poll added.

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    [QUOTE=shakermaker1982;869764]
    The players might want an arm around the shoulder/cuddly/jokey type manager but they had one of them last time out and look what happened. Trappatoni by all accounts doesn't take any sh** and I'd love Stephen Ireland to pull some of those kind of tricks on this fella. We need discipline, order and direction and this fella will bring that to the table. We won't be squandering leads in the last minute, we won't concede loads of goals from set pieces and he definitely won't tolerate players crying to the press/tv studios about how hard it is to play for Ireland nowadays. QUOTE]

    Agreed. We've tried the arm around the shoulder type of coach that all the players like and it's gotten us nowhere. Once the players and management are dedicated to the common goal of qualifying us for the World Cup then I'm happy enough with that. They don't have to all get on to be completely focused on the task in hand.

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    Can I have an option for

    "I dont believe Trapattoni is a serious candidate, more a smokescreen fanned by an increasingly desperate FAI, similar to the previous Houllier and Tigana debacles which were embraced with varying degrees of enthusiasm by an equally desperate media, so taking that into consideration, even in a field of 1 candidate, Im not sure I'd want to vote for Venables, and anyway, the board are no doubt currently frantically searching for an acceptable "plan B" candidate that we dont know about yet."

    in the poll please?
    Last edited by Bondvillain; 04/02/2008 at 12:49 PM.
    On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"

    And they nearly did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    I think a head to head could be usefull

    Trap
    Age:69 on St patricks day
    Years in managment:38

    Teams managed:
    AC Milan
    Juventus
    Inter Milan
    FC Bayern Munich
    Cagliari
    Fiorentina
    Italy
    SL Benfica
    VfB Stuttgart
    Red Bull Salzburg

    Honours:
    National leagues:
    - Won 10
    - Runner up 5

    National Cups:
    Won 3
    Runner up 3

    Europe:
    won a European Cup,
    a Cup Winners' Cup,
    three UEFA Cups,
    the Super Cup,
    runner up european cup,

    International - Qualification:
    2002 world cup
    2004 European chamionship

    Internation - Championship:
    2002 - 2nd round beaten by south korea
    2004 - Failed to get out of group

    Terry
    Age:65
    Years in managment:34

    Teams Managed:
    Crystal Palace
    Queens Park Rangers
    Barcelona
    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Australia
    Middlesbrough
    Leeds United
    England assistant manager

    Honours:
    National leagues:
    - Won 1

    National Cups:
    - Won 1

    International - Qualification:
    1998 World cup failed to qualify after play off with iran
    2008 European championship failed to qualify (only assistant)

    Internationl - Championship:
    1996 - beaten semi finalists.


    So El tel is 4 years younger, speaks english and has a better record at a major tournament.
    After that Trap is so far in front it's not even funny, do we really think we can get this guy and are we really saying that if we can, it would be better if we don't coz he doesn't know who Rory Delap is?
    Very good post and if the comparison above does not convince people nothing will. 19 management victories against 2. And who cares if he knows no one. Let in learn in the next 6 months and pick a team based on his knowledge not hype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.untitled View Post
    "I'm not convinced about this Trapattoni lad either. "

    your kidding, right?
    He couldnt do it with some of the best players in the world with Italy, what hope in hell does he have with our bunch of wasters?

    El Tel for me and spend the money we would waste on Trap on the EL. Best way to improve the national team
    MD

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    I think a head to head could be usefull

    Trap
    Age:69 on St patricks day
    Years in managment:38

    Teams managed:
    AC Milan
    Juventus
    Inter Milan
    FC Bayern Munich
    Cagliari
    Fiorentina
    Italy
    SL Benfica
    VfB Stuttgart
    Red Bull Salzburg

    Honours:
    National leagues:
    - Won 10
    - Runner up 5

    National Cups:
    Won 3
    Runner up 3

    Europe:
    won a European Cup,
    a Cup Winners' Cup,
    three UEFA Cups,
    the Super Cup,
    runner up european cup,

    International - Qualification:
    2002 world cup
    2004 European chamionship

    Internation - Championship:
    2002 - 2nd round beaten by south korea
    2004 - Failed to get out of group
    Jeez, after reading that list of honours is anyone else thinking 'why the hell would he want to touch us'??
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    Homer: Woo-hoo. Four-day weekend
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    Trappattoni+Tardelli+Brady=Holy Trinity of Irish Football

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesB View Post
    Terry

    International - Qualification:
    1998 World cup failed to qualify after play off with iran
    i don't understand this, england qualified for france '98? ahh as australia. d'oh
    zombie/thread killer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken foree View Post
    i don't understand this, england qualified for france '98?
    Australia
    Marge: Homer, the plant called. They said if you don't show up tomorrow don't bother showing up on Monday.
    Homer: Woo-hoo. Four-day weekend
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    Australia Ken!

    They were 2-0 up in the second leg of the play off with 20 mins to go and some clown parachuted into the goalposts. The game was delayed and after the restart Iran scored twice to go through.

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    argh yea sorry i realized it and edited the post - but wanted to leave the original brain-fart in there for all to see. getting old
    zombie/thread killer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeilMcD View Post
    Do you actually know how his teams play, and also to say he has an ok record is laughable. Check his record out, only Capello and Ferguson could come anywhere near him in the modern game.
    Is it not true to say that his club record is excellent but that his international management record isn't anything to write home about? I also think at his age he's a bit old for the job.
    Forget about the performance or entertainment. It's only the result that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlsFan View Post
    Is it not true to say that his club record is excellent but that his international management record isn't anything to write home about? I also think at his age he's a bit old for the job.
    he's qualified for two more tournaments than venables has.

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    His international record is that he qualified to for two major championships, which is 2 more than Venables did.

    When there he failed to get out of the group but once that was with 5 points which has never happened before or since.

    I think we are deluded as people if somehow we think that Trap is not good enough for the job. Wake up, we were offered Bryan Robson before and we then had Steve Staunton.

    This would be like going from my two year old newphew as an artist to Picasso.
    Last edited by NeilMcD; 04/02/2008 at 1:21 PM.
    In Trap we trust

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    I certainly think he'd be good enough, I just dont believe he's really interested in it.
    On the way into the stadium, an elderly San Marino Steward waved us in and said "Tonight, may the best team win"

    And they nearly did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bondvillain View Post
    I certainly think he'd be good enough, I just dont believe he's really interested in it.
    I agree I dont believe hes intersted, I can't see why he'd take a massive pay cut to manage us, among other things
    MD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrigaline View Post
    I'm not convinced about this Trapattoni lad either. Sure, he has experience and an ok record, but I'd be very concerned about his ultra-defensive mindset. If he plays defensively away to teams like Montenegro or Georgia, I can see us getting badly caught out. Also, what will it do to players like McGeady, Hunt, Keane and Doyle by trying to get them to track back all the time?
    I think your mistaking the tactically intelligent defensive Italian football with the 100% pure guts and effort of British defensive football. Keane, McGeady and another wouldn't be required to track back much at all. He plays counter attacking football so you can't have all the players back defending. Doyle probably wouldn't make Trap's team, he likes the 4-2-3-1 system.

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    I am sure Doyle could be the 1 and Doyle could be part of the 3 there Eirebhoy
    In Trap we trust

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtndvn View Post
    He couldnt do it with some of the best players in the world with Italy, what hope in hell does he have with our bunch of wasters?

    El Tel for me and spend the money we would waste on Trap on the EL. Best way to improve the national team
    to use a Rico parlance, traps team were ridden rock solid in korea

    have no idea why hed want the irish job tho
    we looked from Montrose to Swords, from swords to Montrose and from Montrose to Swords again but already it was impossible to spot UCDs right winger

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