Mark Clattenburg.....the worst ref in Britain?

**superfrank** · 03/02/2008, 9:21 PM

Surely the officials at the Blackburn everton game yesterday were worse.

Everton had a good goal ruled out and David Dunn wasn't booked for deliberate handball, which would've sent him off.

Also, I don't understand how booking a lot of people means the ref is bad, surely the players should realise the ref's not going to stand for messing and they should cop on.

**OwlsFan** · 04/02/2008, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Surely the officials at the Blackburn everton game yesterday were worse.

Everton had a good goal ruled out and David Dunn wasn't booked for deliberate handball, which would've sent him off.

Also, I don't understand how booking a lot of people means the ref is bad, surely the players should realise the ref's not going to stand for messing and they should cop on.

Soccer is an almost impossible game to referee with players cheating and diving and the new offside rule. I would love those who attack referees to try it sometime.

The Everton non "goal" was interesting. Johnson was offside coming back when the move started. Also Mark Hughes who perpetually moans about decisions against him got the benefit of this one. Wonder what he said and he'll soon forget it when the next decisions goes against him.

reder · 04/02/2008, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Surely the officials at the Blackburn everton game yesterday were worse.

Everton had a good goal ruled out and David Dunn wasn't booked for deliberate handball, which would've sent him off.

Much as I hate Everton and laugh at their misfortune, they were robbed today. Why AJ's goal was disallowed, Ill never ever understand.

The Spurs v Mancs game looked like a very lively affair and was an extremely difficult game to ref, in my opinion. It wasnt Clatteneberg's greatest game but taking all into account, I think he did ok.

Neither incident in the Liverpool game warranted a penalty in my opinion.

**Torn-Ado** · 04/02/2008, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

Robbie Keane is a disgrace to his country. He chased the ball down numerous times today putting Vidic and others under pressure the whole time. Yet when he puts on the green shirt he does **** all and expects everything done for him. Hopefully Trappatoni will sort his attitude towards Ireland out.

United extremely lucky to get something out of the game, shocking performance.

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=43943

You've changed your tune.

And it only took four years.

**sligoman** · 04/02/2008, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Torn-Ado

http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=43943

You've changed your tune.

And it only took four years.

Haha, I was lot more immature back then, as you can tell by the post

. Still, Robbie Keane was good back then, he just doesn't give a **** anymore.

**bellavistaman** · 04/02/2008, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Surely the officials at the Blackburn everton game yesterday were worse.

Everton had a good goal ruled out and David Dunn wasn't booked for deliberate handball, which would've sent him off.

Also, I don't understand how booking a lot of people means the ref is bad, surely the players should realise the ref's not going to stand for messing and they should cop on.

how aj johnsons goal wasnt given ill never know. Unbelievable like, thats a massive 2 points lost for everton.

**bellavistaman** · 04/02/2008, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Surely the officials at the Blackburn everton game yesterday were worse.

Everton had a good goal ruled out and David Dunn wasn't booked for deliberate handball, which would've sent him off.

Also, I don't understand how booking a lot of people means the ref is bad, surely the players should realise the ref's not going to stand for messing and they should cop on.

how a johnsons goal wasnt given ill never know. Unbelievable like, thats a massive 2 points lost for everton.

**McShels** · 04/02/2008, 2:05 PM

Originally Posted by rambler14

He is awarding free-kicks against United because the Spurs side are taking aim at the Uniteds players hands!

My God, this has to be one of the worst posts ever!!!!

Poor Manu players crying ah ref he tired to hit my hand with the ball not fair!!!!!!!

Next week we will see the introduction of a new rule which states that no lashies against the poor ickle Man U lambs.....

Its also funny that MOTD didnt show Rooneys dive on sat night yet if it was Ronaldo, Fabregas, Drogba or any other foreign player in the league they would show it again and again and again.

**Roadend** · 04/02/2008, 2:22 PM

Originally Posted by rambler14

Speaking of bad refs. hat about Rob Styles in the Liverpool vs Sunderland match.
Carragher charges down Murphy's shot with his hands. No Penalty.
Nosworthy takes the ball in what was an agressive challenge but HE DID WIN THE BALL. Penalty.
Again no consistency.

Carragher's handball could have been easily given I'll grant you, but your take on the stonewall penalty for Livrepool is laughable. He took Pennat down before touching the ball. It was in no way a questionable decision. Penalty all day long.

**superfrank** · 04/02/2008, 3:29 PM

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Soccer is an almost impossible game to referee with players cheating and diving and the new offside rule. I would love those who attack referees to try it sometime.

This was a blatant handball and he was already on a yellow card. The ref even gave a free.

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

The Everton non "goal" was interesting. Johnson was offside coming back when the move started.

He was offside in that instance but he didn't get near the ball and by the time the ball came to him he was behind three players.

Originally Posted by OwlsFan

Also Mark Hughes who perpetually moans about decisions against him got the benefit of this one. Wonder what he said and he'll soon forget it when the next decisions goes against him.

Hughes started moaning about penalties not being given to Blackburn.

**feo123** · 04/02/2008, 6:21 PM

�25,000 fine for united. disgrace

**mypost** · 05/02/2008, 1:10 AM

Originally Posted by rambler14

Speaking of bad refs. hat about Rob Styles in the Liverpool vs Sunderland match.
Carragher charges down Murphy's shot with his hands. No Penalty.
Nosworthy takes the ball in what was an agressive challenge but HE DID WIN THE BALL. Penalty.
Again no consistency.

Both decisions were correct.

Carragher's "handball" was completely accidental, he never moved his arm/hand between the ball being hit and striking him. No penalty.

The Sunderland tackle was a penalty. Mind you, you tend to get those decisions when you've won the game, and not like at West Ham, (Neill's handball in his box), when you need them.

Worst ref in England is Riley. His decision not to award us a penalty against Chelsea 3 years ago following Carvalho's handball, was one of the worst decisions made in years.

**osarusan** · 05/02/2008, 3:33 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

Carragher's "handball" was completely accidental, he never moved his arm/hand between the ball being hit and striking him. No penalty.

It is true that he didn't move his arm between the ball being struck, and the ball striking him. But if you make a block in the penalty area, and the ball hits your already outstretched arms, that's a penalty. The positioning of the arms in so as to block a ball that would not otherwise have been blocked by any part of the body is a deliberate action.

**mypost** · 05/02/2008, 8:32 PM

Originally Posted by osarusan

It is true that he didn't move his arm between the ball being struck, and the ball striking him. But if you make a block in the penalty area, and the ball hits your already outstretched arms, that's a penalty. The positioning of the arms in so as to block a ball that would not otherwise have been blocked by any part of the body is a deliberate action.

Well, if that's the case, there'd be a penalty every time there was the merest sign of handball. The ball hitting the chest/shoulder would be classed as handball. The thing that decides it, is whether you control the ball intentionally with your hands. Outstretched arms is not that.

Amid all the bruhaha however, people do forget that we were 2-0 up at the time, it wasn't going to affect the game that much, whether it was given or not. We were well capable of going up the other end and scoring again if necessary, which we did.

**KevB76** · 06/02/2008, 7:32 PM

I agree with this bit....

Originally Posted by mypost

The thing that decides it, is whether you control the ball intentionally with your hands.

...but not this:

Originally Posted by mypost

Outstretched arms is not that.

Its generally accepted that out-stretched arms is inherently deliberate.

On Clattenburg, he is the best premiership ref in my opinion, although he made a complete farce of the Liverpooll/Everton derby.

**osarusan** · 07/02/2008, 1:59 PM

Obviously, when you are only a yard away from the ball, you don't have time to move your arms after the ball has been struck in an attempt to block it. In this case, the position of your arms before the ball was struck is crucial.

We see defenders all the time with their hands behind their back, minimizing the chance of giving away a penalty even if the ball does hit their arm.

If you slide in like Carragher did, arms outstretched, and the ball hits them, it's a penalty in my book.

**rambler14** · 10/02/2008, 8:09 PM

He was at it again yesterday. He embarrassed himself by sending off Lee Bowyer.

**pineapple stu** · 10/02/2008, 8:13 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

Well, if that's the case, there'd be a penalty every time there was the merest sign of handball. The ball hitting the chest/shoulder would be classed as handball. The thing that decides it, is whether you control the ball intentionally with your hands. Outstretched arms is not that.

If the player has the opportunity of retracting his arms and doesn't, it's a penalty.

**feo123** · 10/02/2008, 10:00 PM

never a sending off yesterday, another poor decisioon, hope they resind it and embarass him!!

**NeilMcD** · 10/02/2008, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by sligoman

Haha, I was lot more immature back then, as you can tell by the post

. Still, Robbie Keane was good back then, he just doesn't give a **** anymore.

That is rubbish you see Keane for Ireland and he chases players down all the time but drops too deep in recent times as the midfield cant hold onto the bal and he gets frustrated. Also for some reason his finishing has not been as good for Ireland in recent times as it iss fior spurss. It all hints to me at not being relaxed enough and too pumped up.;