Climate Change

[Boh_So_Good]

There is no doubt now that the whole Global Warming thing is a joke based on crackpot science and cherry-picked data. The Creationism of the PC brigade.

The IPCC admitted this week that global temps have not increased since 1998. This is pretty shocking and should of been widely reported. But they still insist that Mankind is boiling the earth.

Meanwhile the USA is having an exceptionally freezing winter, China is currently under snow, Ireland is being battered with winter storms contrary to the endless media reports of our promised "warm Irish winters with all year round plant growth" - coupled to this Irish farmers announcing today that this has been the harshest winter in years.

Bottom Line: Al Gore's Hollywood fantasy movie was a load of rubbish, filled with lies and errors and typical Yank sensationalist clap-trap.

It has got to the stage now where if I hear another gob****e warning about "Man Made Global Warming" I just have to laugh.

Other than giving Civil Servants a new agenda to waste taxpayers money on, Climate Activist trips to Bali so they prevent common people from flying, as well as giving Marxist a backdoor at which they can attack the evil West, I see no reason for any objective person to pay attention to Global Warming hysteria anymore.

PS: CFC bulbs are filled with mercury in case Gormley forces them upon us in the name of saving the polar bears.

[jebus]

Bottom line: You're an uneducated buffoon

[kingdom hoop]

I see no reason for any objective person to pay attention to my hysteria anymore.

Ok, I've scrunched it up, can someone lob this in the bin now please?

Just on a point of interest for Boh_So_Good, global warming is now more commonly, and accurately, referred to as CLIMATE CHANGE. I.e. that doesn't mean Ireland turns into a glorious tropical paradise but a windswept craggy isle flailing in vain to keep its head above water.

Must say any smidge of credence I afforded your posts has now evaporated. Not that that really matters, just thought I'd let you know.

[anto1208]

The older CFC bulbs have a tiny bit of mercury in them the newer ones dont but you can't get them here !!!

I have mainly CFC bulbs i like them they last more than a few months i was constantly changing the old ones.

But This idea that the earth will boil or freeze in the next few years isnt what will happen i feel, As the ice melts the oceans will absorb more heat evoporate more water causeing more rain ( like the summer we just had ).

Thats what will catch us too much rain making it hard to grow crops other countries will get less rain making it harder to grow crops making less food available making people panic to get food meaning the rich will be able to afford it and the poor will try and rob it.

Is there Land under the north / south pole ?? i remeber watching a thing about penquins that said as the weather cooled and the ice came most animals left but they chose to stay so if the ice goes they will just live on land like they do in other parts of the world and have a easier time of it.


Im mixed on this i dont think we shoudl be wrecking the earth and even if you dont believe in global warming surely you dont want to be breathing in all that pollution now do you ? .Anyway i dont think saving the human race is all that good an idea the vast majority are parasites they are wrecking the place maybe the world would be better off wiping us out and starting on evolving the next animal to take over.

Feck it the sun is going to run out in 4 million years then we're all done for anyway .

[jebus]

Is there Land under the north / south pole ?? i remeber watching a thing about penquins that said as the weather cooled and the ice came most animals left but they chose to stay so if the ice goes they will just live on land like they do in other parts of the world and have a easier time of it.

There isn't any land, but there is quite a lot of oil, hence the non-rush by America, Canada, Russia etc. to save it

Im mixed on this i dont think we shoudl be wrecking the earth and even if you dont believe in global warming surely you dont want to be breathing in all that pollution now do you ? .Anyway i dont think saving the human race is all that good an idea the vast majority are parasites they are wrecking the place maybe the world would be better off wiping us out and starting on evolving the next animal to take over.

Feck it the sun is going to run out in 4 million years then we're all done for anyway .

I think its very arrogant of mankind to assume we can do any lasting damage to the earth. If the earth felt like it it could crush us the way kids do ant hives, I don't think we would be able to cause anything other than a few annoying insect bites in return

[kingdom hoop]

I think its very arrogant of mankind to assume we can do any lasting damage to the earth.

Sentiment, naturally, is spot on; this latest of our many wars is a war to save ourselves, mankind, dumbasses and all. Earth will be just fine for a few more million years. But if we want it to remain reasonably hospitable for our tender selves then a concerted global effort at all levels (from Bush to Boh_So_Good) is necessary to make our activities reasonably sustainable. I'm not seeing enough of that at all at the moment, which is why I started that 'future' thread, to which I must return post-haste.

As I'm here and in the mood for a philosophical muse, I think a bit of this is down to the old procrastination paradox; you know that, sometime in the future, something must be done/will happen but yet you just couldn't be arsed to start doing it now, or at the moment it's to your benefit not to take the necessary actions. A bit like smoking in that you know in the long-term it's a bad idea but you're just enjoying it too much at the moment to care. Or the student who goes out ten nights in row and then crams his essay into twelve manically-rushed hours. Madness maybe, but such examples are all too common ().

In other words, as we battle to sustain our species just how high and conspicuous a hurdle is the human instinct to wallow and not care much for future concerns?

[Poor Student]

Feck it the sun is going to run out in 4 million years then we're all done for anyway .

That's more like 4 billion years.

[KevB76]

That's more like 4 billion years.

Thank god !
Anto had me worried there for a sec.....

[Poor Student]

Thank god !
Anto had me worried there for a sec.....

Otherwise it was going to be a close call.

[dahamsta]

I'm leaving this open since climate change is an important subject that warrants discussion, although I've changed the thread title to make the OP look slightly less idiotic.

adam

[onceahoop]

I'm leaving this open since climate change is an important subject that warrants discussion, although I've changed the thread title to make the OP look slightly less idiotic.

adam

Bossman, you're going soft .

Climate change is important but idiotic posters on the matter deserve no mercy.

[dahamsta]

The best way to deal with idiots is to demonstrate their idiocy. Ball's in your court I reckon.

[Bondvillain]

I'm leaving this open since climate change is an important subject that warrants discussion, although I've changed the thread title to make the OP look slightly less idiotic.

adam

I read the opening post. The whole "Title changing" thang didn't work...

[Boh_So_Good]

Who said anything about Climate Change not happening. Were I am sitting now was under a mile of ice 40,000 years ago. The title of the thread was about "Global Warming" and Al Gore's hysterical polemic...GLOBAL WARMING is what they said we were getting until the global temp stopped rising in 1998.

It the notion that humans are raising world temp with C02 which remains unproven. Read the IPCC reports in full. They are all "may lead to", "is a possible issue" and so on and yet we get press confs were they come out and say that there is total scientific agreement on the issue when there isn't.

But we were here before with the whole "New Ice Age" of the 1970's.

Besides, all the other planets in the solar system have shown temp increases on par with the Earth's which suggests that the sun is the main driver. I would also like to point out to Jebus that this "uneducated buffoon" happens to be an Astronomer who has been paying attention for decades now, and not since Al Gore's Hollywood movie.

I also do not like being insulted by a moderator. Not good.

[osarusan]

GLOBAL WARMING is what they said we were getting until the global temp stopped rising in 1998.......

It the notion that humans are raising world temp with C02 which remains unproven.

Read the IPCC reports in full. They are all "may lead to", "is a possible issue" and so on and yet we get press confs were they come out and say that there is total scientific agreement on the issue when there isn't.

A link to the USA's Environmental Protection Agency - from their front page on the "Future Climate Change" section.

Increased greenhouse gas concentrations are very likely to raise the Earth's average temperature, influence precipitation and some storm patterns as well as raise sea levels (IPCC, 2007)

as you can see, an IPCC is quoted.

Here is a link to some IPCC reports - http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/wg1-report.html

Here are some excerpts from the "Frequently Asked Questions" section -

What Factors Determine Earth’s Climate?
There are three fundamental ways to change the
radiation balance of the Earth: 1) by changing the incoming solar
radiation (e.g., by changes in Earth’s orbit or in the Sun itself); 2)
by changing the fraction of solar radiation that is reflected (called
‘albedo’; e.g., by changes in cloud cover, atmospheric particles or
vegetation); and 3) by altering the longwave radiation from Earth
back towards space (e.g., by changing greenhouse gas concentrations).
Climate, in turn, responds directly to such changes, as well
as indirectly, through a variety of feedback mechanisms.

The key point here is point 3.

How do Human Activities Contribute to Climate Change
and How do They Compare with Natural Influences?
Human activities contribute to climate change by causing
changes in Earth’s atmosphere in the amounts of greenhouse gases,
aerosols (small particles), and cloudiness. The largest known
contribution comes from the burning of fossil fuels, which releases
carbon dioxide gas to the atmosphere. Greenhouse gases and aerosols
affect climate by altering incoming solar radiation and out-
going infrared (thermal) radiation that are part of Earth’s energy
balance. Changing the atmospheric abundance or properties of
these gases and particles can lead to a warming or cooling of the
climate system. Since the start of the industrial era (about 1750),
the overall effect of human activities on climate has been a warming
influence. The human impact on climate during this era greatly
exceeds that due to known changes in natural processes, such as
solar changes and volcanic eruptions.

Look at that last sentence again - the human impact on climate during this era greatly exceeds that due to known changes in natural processes

Here are some excerpts from Section 9 - "Understanding and Attributing Climate Change" -

It is extremely unlikely (<5%) that the global pattern of warming during the past half century can be explained without
external forcing, and very unlikely that it is due to known
natural external causes alone. The warming occurred in both the
ocean and the atmosphere and took place at a time when natural
external forcing factors would likely have produced cooling.

Greenhouse gas forcing has very likely caused most of the
observed global warming over the last 50 years.

(Words in italics are from the report, not my editing)


From section 10 - "Global Climate Predictions" -

Temperature Extremes
It is very likely that heat waves will be more intense, more
frequent and longer lasting in a future warmer climate. Cold
episodes are projected to decrease signifi cantly in a future warmer
climate. Almost everywhere, daily minimum temperatures are
projected to increase faster than daily maximum temperatures,
leading to a decrease in diurnal temperature range. Decreases
in frost days are projected to occur almost everywhere in
the middle and high latitudes, with a comparable increase in
growing season length.

Snow and Ice
As the climate warms, snow cover and sea ice extent
decrease; glaciers and ice caps lose mass owing to a dominance
of summer melting over winter precipitation increases. This
contributes to sea level rise as documented for the previous
generation of models in the TAR. There is a projected reduction
of sea ice in the 21st century in both the Arctic and Antarctic
with a rather large range of model responses. The projected
reduction is accelerated in the Arctic, where some models project
summer sea ice cover to disappear entirely in the high-emission
A2 scenario in the latter part of the 21st century. Widespread
increases in thaw depth over much of the permafrost regions
are projected to occur in response to warming over the next
century.

I would argue that the pieces of the IPCC reports I've quoted paint a very different picture of both the existence of and reasons for climate change and global warming than you suggest, Boh so Good.

[Block G Raptor]

There is no doubt now that the whole Global Warming thing is a joke based on crackpot science and cherry-picked data. The Creationism of the PC brigade.

The IPCC admitted this week that global temps have not increased since 1998. This is pretty shocking and should of been widely reported. But they still insist that Mankind is boiling the earth.

Meanwhile the USA is having an exceptionally freezing winter, China is currently under snow, Ireland is being battered with winter storms contrary to the endless media reports of our promised "warm Irish winters with all year round plant growth" - coupled to this Irish farmers announcing today that this has been the harshest winter in years.

Bottom Line: Al Gore's Hollywood fantasy movie was a load of rubbish, filled with lies and errors and typical Yank sensationalist clap-trap.

It has got to the stage now where if I hear another gob****e warning about "Man Made Global Warming" I just have to laugh.

Other than giving Civil Servants a new agenda to waste taxpayers money on, Climate Activist trips to Bali so they prevent common people from flying, as well as giving Marxist a backdoor at which they can attack the evil West, I see no reason for any objective person to pay attention to Global Warming hysteria anymore.

PS: CFC bulbs are filled with mercury in case Gormley forces them upon us in the name of saving the polar bears.

Someone's been reading Michael Crichtons State Of Fear
Me too and I agree with a lot of what your saying. I would suggest all those who are so sure that Global Warming is an imminent threat or is even in fact a reality at all should read it before making sweeping comments like jebus here

Bottom line: You're an uneducated buffoon

[monutdfc]

So Michael Crichton knows more than 1000's of scientists who are experts in this field? Has his book been peer-reviewed? Because all of the work of the IPCC scientists has. The debate is over - climate change is happening and it is caused by human activity. In fact, there was never any debate to start with - just confusion caused by charlatans funded by Exxon and others, based on the policy of sowing confusion pioneered by the tobacco companies. When you are finished Crichton's book I suggest you read George Monbiot's "Heat", or the latest IPCC report.
Really, one book by a pop scientist and that tv programme that wasn't even by a scientist and suddenly everybody is an expert. There are 1000's of scientists the world over studying this topic and there is consensus on this.

[jebus]

Someone's been reading Michael Crichtons State Of Fear
Me too and I agree with a lot of what your saying. I would suggest all those who are so sure that Global Warming is an imminent threat or is even in fact a reality at all should read it before making sweeping comments like jebus here

I've said it before in a climate change thread and I'll say it again, even George W. has reversed his opinion on climate change, yes THE George W., so I stand by my comment, and refuse to debate this with people who are slower on the uptake than America's glorious leader. The only thing I will ask you to do is to look up images of the polar icecaps ranging from 1988-2008, if you still think global warming is an excuse to sell lightbulbs, well then there really is no hope for you to be honest

[Block G Raptor]

I've said it before in a climate change thread and I'll say it again, even George W. has reversed his opinion on climate change, yes THE George W., so I stand by my comment, and refuse to debate this with people who are slower on the uptake than America's glorious leader. The only thing I will ask you to do is to look up images of the polar icecaps ranging from 1988-2008, if you still think global warming is an excuse to sell lightbulbs, well then there really is no hope for you to be honest

I certainly do not think Global Warming is an excuse to sell lightbulbs
don't know where you got that from what I said. Ive seen the Sat Images of the Polar Icecaps. if you go back 50 or 60 years before that you'll see similar fluctuations (melting and reforming)in fact there is an equivalent ammount of Ice on antartica now as there was in the 1880's the Icecap has been expanding for the past number of years and only in more recent times has began to rescind. The Icecaps have been in constant flux for millennia, with overall average volume of Ice barely changing in centuries. or if you look at Sat images of Greenland and Iceland 1988-2008 you will see an increase in Glacial growth,for every piece of evidence "Proving" Climate change there is evidence "Disproving it" seriously research it as I have as I like to Check all sides of a story before ramming facts down peoples necks.

[monutdfc]

for every piece of evidence "Proving" Climate change there is evidence "Disproving it"

No there is not. References please (and nothing from charlatan Exxon funded organisations please).

seriously research it as I have as I like to Check all sides of a story before ramming facts down peoples necks.

Seriously, if you have researched it as you say you cannot but have found that the evidence is overwhelming; I have and it is, end of. In fact, I cannot believe I am even responding to your posts. (My wife is a meterologist with a PhD in atmospheric physics and she has the good sense to simply laugh at anybody who questions the reality of climate change. There is no question amongst anybody working in the field.)