Good point about the commercialism of Climate Change. Companies need to find new markets otherwise they cannot grow. Climate Change offers great opportunity to sell new products.
Best thing you can do with these people is smile and nod.
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Good point about the commercialism of Climate Change. Companies need to find new markets otherwise they cannot grow. Climate Change offers great opportunity to sell new products.
It's been a major business for a while now - which is why it gets so much attention in the media. The irony is that the chattering class "socialists" who want to save the planet are the last bunch to have figured it out. Which really shows how easily led by mass media Sorcha in Dalkey with his 'Fair Trade' coffee really is.Originally Posted by pete
If you look at TV now, everything from detergent to oil and cars are being repackaged as planet saving products. I have even seen ads for low carbon car insurance. It so obviously all a fraud and tacky sales pitch. All you have to do is put a polar bear on the box and the chattering classes will run salivating to buy it while assuming that they haven't been sucked in by "The Man" when this is precisely what's happening.
and these people call Global Warming Skeptics "morons who can't add 2 +2" and I also have to laugh the way gushingly PC newspaper such as the Guardian and the Irish Times pontificate endlessly about saving the planet when the newspaper industry is an incredibly polluting and toxic business.
You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.
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You obviously can though.
POTM!
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Who, environmentalists or Boh So Good?
Anyone who claims carbon emissions are not the primary cause of climate change.
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Yeah, whether you think climate change/global warming exists or not one think that really annoys me is how much we, the public are constantly told we have to cut down our carbon footprint, buy environmentally friendly products, etc as if we're to blame when it's governments and big business who not only cause most of the problem, but also are more than happy to continue to go about polluting and selling us products which have way too much packaging (which we are then expected to dispose of, costing us money).
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Good post. Putting the onus on individuals to make changes is the wrong approach and only lets the real polluters off the hook. Big business wil however always do what is best for its shareholders financially which is why the major decisions that affect the majority need to be taken out of the hands of the CEO's and made democratically.
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Do you honestly have any idea how thick that statement is in its most literal sense. Have you ever heard of the Sun by any chance? Volcanos? Decaying plants.
You haven't a clues about this issue on any level. I bet you think there was no "climate change" before Henry Ford and Ronald McDonald. That the earth enjoyed a "socialist climate" of no extremes and all the global temps were in egalitarian balance...etc...
As for reducing one's "carbon footprint". The quantities of CO2 in the natural environment are so great, that reduction of human input would have very little and mostly likely no affect upon concentrations in the air. China surpassed the US by 10% relative increase in 2006, to be 8% ahead of US in CO2 emissions. This fact is not promoted in the 'science' of AGW.
We shall have to see what the numbers are for 2007. With this rapid growth of China and India, any and all reduction of US and EU emissions is entirely MEANINGLESS. US, EU and most comical of all Ireland's reductions in emissions is only a symbolic gesture (pathetic in our case), and it is now mandatory that we make this tokenistic symbolic gesture to convince China to slow its exponential growth of CO2 emissions. A joke. Especially considering that the record cold in China this winter won't make them more Carbon Ethical because some damp island off the coast of Europe is doing so. Reminds me of the crackpots in this country who used to think that Ireland's nutrality during the Cold War sent shudders down the halls of the Kremlin and Pentagon.
BP, I'm sorry but you'll have do some research beyond imaging Joe Higging in a long white coat insulating his attic with back issues of the Socialist Worker me oul china.
Here is a clue. Go have a look through the Books of Kells, the Lindisfarne Chronicals, the Annals of the Four Masters and see if you can find any illustrated images of monks driving 4-wheel drives and eating McDonalds. Cos they had "global warming" back then too.
There is not one scientist, nor any collective of scientists who can prove with any degree of certainity that mankind is boiling the earth with carbon emissions. Not a single one. Not a sausage. Nada. It's all wild speculation based on cherry picked data, wrapped up in a political package and being sold to dumb white folks in affulent societies by The Man.
You have been had.
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Yeah whatever BSG. Research.
What research have you done beyond reading articles written by cranks with a neo-liberal agenda to push (and getting paid handsomely for doing so!)?
I've done as much "research" as you.
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And BSG's reference points comes to the fore at last. I knew this thread had a whiff of Murdoch about it
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Links People. Any chance can link to reference sites?
The US not the best example but seen a recent poll which says Climate Change down the list of priorities of voters for Presidential election. Nothing like the fear of a recession to change priorities.
For what it is worth I don't think China or India would change much to help the global climate. They would however change to reduce local pollution (poisoned rivers 'n such).
Just a quick update. "Global Warming" has officially stopped. In years to come future generations will look back at this Global Warming hysteria with amazement.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0802/S00344.htm
Gore acknowledged Thursday that recent cooling trends as manifest in
China's coldest winter in 100 years, Baghdad's first snow ever, North
America's greatest snow cover in 50 years, record levels of Antarctic
sea ice and record cold in a number of countries in both hemispheres
appear set to continue.
He cited the fact that all major global temperature tracking agencies
(Hadley, NASA, GISS, UAH, RSS) have released data showing that over the
past year, global temperatures have dropped dramatically, from between
0.65C and 0.75C, enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over
the past 100 years.
All in one year, and the single fastest temperature change ever
recorded, either up or down.
I'll sit back now and wait for the obligatory insult hurled my way as a rebuttle to the above peer-reviewed facts (all can be checked, verified) which contradict this weird, middle class religion which has something to do paying carbon offsets via Al Gore's holding company which creams off a percentage so he can pay his 30K a month electric bill when he is not flying in private jets around the world.
It's all for the polar bears afterall.
As Kingdom Hoop has already pointed out -
Climate change focuses on dramatic changes to our climate, and the part mankind plays in that process.
The last line of the piece you've quoted should give you a hint in that direction.
Climate is changing faster than ever before........sure, no cause for alarm.All in one year, and the single fastest temperature change ever
recorded, either up or down.
Oh, I almost forgot....
You're full of crap.
So the sudden dramatic drop is world temps is not cause by any other factor than mankinds evil sins?
Anyways back to this end of the quantum mechanical field for a moment, I just got through reading an interesting article in Astronomy magazine which has stated that the increased solar activity of the last 10 years has suddenly tapered off. Happened around mid October. Bang on the time global temps started to plummet.
The graphic can be laid over the global temps of both the Earth and Mars for the last decade and they match up nicely. This is without even having to bend the data like the Blessed Al Gore did with his now discredited "hockey stick" con job which sent the MTV audiences hearts racing during his Hollywood movie.
Can you see where I am going with this?
When solar activity was high between 1996 and 2007 - the Earth heated up AND when it suddenly ended just before the end of last October a worldwide drop in global temps were recorded by Hadley, NASA, GISS, UAH, RSS.
This is about as conclusive evidence as you will ever find that the sun is the main driver of climate change and not American soccer moms driving SUVs.
Oh dear. It always gets ugly when someone's religious dogma is exposed as a fraud.
Some more heretics who disagree with Al Gore:
"In scientific circles, C02 is referred to as a `trace gas' that, for
hundreds of thousands of years, has remained at or below five
ten-thousandths of the atmosphere by volume. Even among the so-called
`greenhouse gases' (GHG), C02 accounts for less than 4%, with water
vapour being by far the most significant GHG. C02 is clearly a
miniscule component of the massive mechanisms that create climate and
cause climate change."
Dr. Timothy Ball, Chairman of the Natural Resources Stewardship Project
(NRSP.com), Former Professor Of Climatology, University of Winnipeg"...and I think future generations are not going to blame us for
anything except for being silly, for letting a few tenths of a degree
panic us"
Dr. Richard Lindzen, Professor of Meteorology MIT and Member of the
National Academy of Sciences"What most commentators-and many scientists-seem to miss is that the
only thing we can say with certainly about climate is that it changes"
Dr. Richard Lindzen[most of the current alarm over climate change is based on] "inherently
untrustworthy climate models, similar to those that cannot accurately
forecast the weather a week from now." Dr. Richard LindzenThe Fourth Report of the IPCC might just as well decree the
suppression of all climatology textbooks, and replace them in our
schools with press communiqués. ... Day after day, the same mantra -
that 'the Earth is warming up' - is churned out in all its forms. As
'the
ice melts' and 'sea level rises' the Apocalypse looms ever nearer!
Without realizing it, or perhaps without wishing to, the average
citizen in bamboozled, lobotomized, and lulled into mindless acceptance.
... Non-believers in the greenhouse scenario are in the
position of those long ago who doubted the existence of God ...
Marcel LerouxIt should be abundantly clear by now that the AGW hypothesis is
contradicted by the facts/measurements/observations and should
therefore be abandoned and be substituted by a hypothesis which
better matches the facts.
- Hans Labohm
Ice and snow in winter? Who'd have thunk it?Gore acknowledged Thursday that recent cooling trends as manifest in China's coldest winter in 100 years, Baghdad's first snow ever, North
America's greatest snow cover in 50 years, record levels of Antarctic
sea ice and record cold in a number of countries in both hemispheres
appear set to continue
oh sweet precious martyrdom... Non-believers in the greenhouse scenario are in the
position of those long ago who doubted the existence of God ...
Marcel Leroux
" I wish to God that someone would be able to block out the voices in my head for five minutes, the voices that scream, over and over again: "Why do they come to me to die?"
Whether you call it Climate Change or Global Warming IMO Carbon off setting & switching of light bulbs & the such is a complete waste of time. Just reading a magazine giving these great examples that if get the bus to work 1 day equals to X million barrels of oil saved. Sure the number sounds large but as a percentage of total oil used if insignificant which is why the percentage is never used.
I heard recently that beef production is one of the biggest producers of carbon dioxide. Probably cutting out our red meat would have the biggest impact.
Post the actual facts or delete your post pete. I've had enough of some of the frankly disgusting and damaging "opinions" in this thread. From this point on every post needs sources or it will be deleted.
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Here is an industry breakdown for Ireland. Its from the Tegasc website and the Source: Environmental Resource Management.
Agriculture is largely farts from the cows.
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