All true, but something that needs to be changed if we are to stem the tide of opinion against this league. I mean people view this league as a joke, and shouting from the roof tops that the league promotes/demotes solely on financial issues will not make anyone think otherwise, but might push quite a few EL fans awayOriginally Posted by galwayhoop
Alright, fair enough ... but you have to admit, it did sound all doom and gloom.
If its a better, more viable product with more investment and media coverage being offered to fans (new and old) then it stands to reason that it will be in a better position. I'm not saying that it will reach those goals but it will be better placed to do so.In what way will the "Platinum AIL" achieve these goals?
This is all assumption for a start but even if you are right, wouldn't it be based on a percentage basis of profit? So it would be a case of 'if they do well, then we do well'A Face, you asked me for my point.
My points are these -
# I'm against an AIL being run by a business out to make profit, as decisions could be based on profit for the company, rather than what is good for the league in terms of football.
Ah come 'ere, we'd all have the same rule book, we'll all have the same opportunity. There would also be safegaurds etc. put in place for the very reason (not the menacing 'lets do away with this club and that club' way you are suggested. But there would be safeguards put in place to ensure clubs dont bottom out. They would be much the same as now, ensuring clubs keep a tight ship.# I'm against an AIL being run by a business who might show bias towards certain clubs who would help their attempts to make a profit more than others.
Even if it were the same attendance figures it would be better already, with tv money, prize money etc.# I'm skeptical that the proposed AIL will lead to the kind of improvements, especially in terms of attendance, that people are imagining.
Alarmist ..... that is all i can say there.You've mentioned better training and facilities - I'd say that any club who focuses on these aspects of the club, while admirable in the long term, would see them out of the title race in the short term; as a result, I'd argue that clubs are unlikely to go down that road. Clubs who are against a 65% wage-cap are unlikely, in my opinion, to voluntarily invest funds in such things, at the expense of squad quality.
Yeah, i am too. Are you saying what happened to Limerick FC (before Limerick 37) was fair? Again, we'd all have the same rule book.#I'm for a fair governing body.
We have yet to see will that work, sorry now but the jury is still out on that one.#I'm for a wage cap to force, yes, force clubs to spend money on things other than players.
The league is the way it is over year upon year of compounded mismanagement and chronic administration.There seems to be an attitude here that "it is all the FAI's fault. They're the reason the fans don't come, and we don't have enough money. With more money, all our problems will be solved." Now some of this is true, but I think that in the eagerness to improve themselves, clubs are expecting all sorts of improvements this AIL won't provide.
Do not fool yourselves at all people ..... Do not dare shy away from this point ..... read it aloud or sing it, whatever you have to do ..... the league is the way it is because of the FAI's administration.
I hate saying, because recently they have been getting it together for a bit, but they have years to go to even things up. The blame is most definitely on the doorstep of Merrion Square, that there is no doubt about. It was their remit, they were entrusted with it, it was under their stewardship. You can blame clubs that were given absolutely no guidance what so ever with shambolic stuff going on behind the green door all you want.
The league is the way it is because of the FAI's administration.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Apart from the cheap point scoring of pointing out that the FAI is now in Abbotstown. The League was run by the clubs up until the end of 2006. Like it or not, the Board of Management ruled the roost, made up of club reps.
The League has been getting better in the last year, because the FAI have taken over running it.
Can you just clarify your reasoning behind this point? IMO This is a positive area insofar as a healthy league will only survive as a healthy league is the company that runs it, runs it for the good of the league in terms of football.
If it runs it contrary to this as you seem to suggest, then the league will not prosper therefore Platinum - in this case - would be shooting themselves in the foot. No?
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the league has had the champions relegated last year and 3 clubs folded. fines for every thing from toilet roll on pitches to bad language. i have not seen any more publicity up to now than was there before, the FAI cup final was moved because it clashed with a juncket....
is it really that much better than before?
Very smart Maribor ..... I'm on about the time before Merrion Square aswell to be honest. The clubs running the league that time was just a shame, you know it, i know it, we all know it. How long did the run the league for? How did it come about? What was the motive? Who was directly involved in the FAI prior to the split?
I'm on about the last 50 years
I already acknowledged that. Thats why i didn't include Abbotstown. The effort the FAI have put in over the last 2-3 year i thought i would never see. And i'm not lying, i was resigned to the fact they would never try and resolve the situation.The League has been getting better in the last year, because the FAI have taken over running it.
Edit: I'm still not 100% they will either. I welcome everything positive they do because its better than we have had in the past but i'm still not convinced. I'm waiting for the punchline, the gag, the 'ha ha we had you going there for a while ... you really thought we were going to actually help you out'. Something still hangs over them, i cant put my finger on it but it'll be a awhile before it goes away. The only reason i trust them is because it was impossible to get any worse.
I hope its shame that has spurred them into action recently, because they should have an abudance of that to go around.
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The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Having the champions relegated was distinctly preferable to allowing them to stay in the Premier and compete in Europe as would've happened previously.
Its hardly surprising that when you implement more rigourous financial criteria (surely a good thing?) that you have losers. Short-term pain for hopefully a long-term gain.
Whilst the FAI are not blameless the clubs created the vast majority of historic problems themselves by poor administration and management.
The FAI cup final was always under the remit of the FAI.
Its the league that has moved from the clubs to the FAI.
And apart from some strange fines, yes there has been a huge shift in the
league how its run, the prize money on offer, the TV coverage, and it looks to
continue to improve.
In fact the FAI acting so promptly with $hel$ is prove of just how much it has improved/
Not quite sure what European trips have to do with an All Ireland League but anyway what are you basing this "huge" European Glentoran support on? 3 years ago when you embarrassed NI by getting trounced by Shelbourne. Have to say I think even Glentoran could muster up more fans for a journey to Dublin when compared to Bluemen who had to travel to Latvia! Fair contest. In fact the only way you can compare European attendences was this year, when we both went to Sweden. Have a look at the pics below and see how embarrassing your above comments now are.
Given that Linfield barely bring triple figures to European aways, why do you think up to 10 times as many will similarly bother their arses to travel to Galway.
Glentoran's away Setanta crowds have remained impressive, despite the awfulness endured on the pitch. With the exception of Derry away (last season), our away crowds have matched - and bettered - Linfield's.
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As for Setanta take a look at this post posted on this forum just a few weeks ago from a Shelbourne supporter:
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That somewhat blows your entire statement apart. Also I'm sure there are a few Drogheda supporters on these forums that can verify that the Glens brought maybe just half of what Linfield brought to United Park.
Also I could go onto embarrass you more by getting a picture of your completely pathetic home support at the Oval in last years competition against Linfield in which finished 2-1 to Linfield.
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Not like you to make such a good post. I like it.
Not true. Our finances were fine, it was the results over the previous four seasons that we were screwed on.
Did one of your directors not note you were losing a quarter of a mill last year? Thought I saw it on your forum; will have a look for a link.
maybe badly worded by me but we got serious brownie points through our financial plan/projections. our on pitch performance was our weaker of the 'two halves' but combined we got a higher total than yourselves. what i mean is had all things been equal from a profit and loss point of view it would have been Dundalk in the PL and not us.
If financial projections played that central a role in getting a license, then Dublin City would be the only top rated team.
After all - they were going to be in the Champions League group stages after 5 years..
i cant see it ever working
Everybody is saying that this proposal will never work because it would not have the FAI/IFA's backing, but here is an idea that might get their backing.
2 leagues of 10. One north, one south. Similar to what we have now, but with less teams in each league.
You play everyone in your own league, home and away (18 games) and you play everyone in the other league home and away (20 games), that is 38 games that every team plays.
Whoever finishes top of their own leagues takes the Champions league spot for their respective jurisdiction. So nobody loses their European spots. But those two teams can still play in a final to determine the all Ireland champions.
The FAI/IFA cups could remain the same and keep their euro spots. If you wanted an all Ireland cup, then the league cup could be changed here.
In essence, you still have 2 leagues, 2 sets of euro spots, but you play teams from the other league for points towards your own season. Any thoughts??
That is by far the most favourable proposal I've heard.
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I remember suggesting something similar to that before as(at least as things currently stand) makes the most sense .
why will that get the backing of the associations if they are not running it. and it looks like it would only get the support of ten clubs.
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Interesting and (initially, at least), a very atttractive idea.
That said, I can see two drawbacks.
1. Ultimately, it will lead to games between the bottom teams from each League, which will often be the "smallest" teams (support, finances, facilities etc) having to play each other twice a season. And if these clubs can't make it pay when playing locally, how much worse would it be for e.g. Institute or Armagh to have to travel to Waterford or Bray or Cobh etc?
2. Under this scheme, the new money (sponsors, broadcasters etc) would have to be split between 20 teams, rather than the dozen or so(?) currently envisaged.
I personally think it might work better (or at least be more acceptable to the present backers) if it were two Leagues of 8 teams each. Obviously, this would only allow 30 League games per season, but the extra 8 matchdays could be used to accomodate an all-Ireland Cup (knockout) competition. And fewer teams would maintain standards at a higher level, as well as spreading the money less thinly (not something I like, but harsh reality, I fear, if it is to be accepted by the "big" clubs).
Overall, however, a very sound idea which avoids many of the problems with previous suggestions, including a "neater" preservation of the separate IFA and FAI jurisdictions, plus European places etc.
P.S. Don't quite understand why the Nth and Sth (domestic) champions should play a final to determine the A-I champions. Surely the team which finished top of the League after 38 (or 30) games will be the best team on the island?
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