View Poll Results: Do you want Stephen Ireland back in the Ireland fold

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    Quote Originally Posted by noby View Post
    Absolutely, but that's an entirely different issue.
    Givens the straight talker! Did you hoop and holler when Kerr got the job by any chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie View Post
    If he wants to play then he has to make himself available.
    That's all Givens had to say. The way Givens was talking you'd think Ireland asked a few journalists to ask Don if he could be considered for the squad.

    Quote Originally Posted by drummerboy View Post
    Not much time for Givens either but I agree with his stance. The ball is firmly in Stephen Ireland's court. If he wants back in, he should be making the first moves.
    Again, S.Ireland knows that.

    In fact everyone agreeing with Givens comments are of the "ball in Ireland's court" opinion. So am I. Of course I agree that Ireland has to make a phone call if he wants to be in the next squad. That's not my point.
    Last edited by eirebhoy; 25/01/2008 at 8:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie View Post
    Strongly disagree. Givens has taken the right tack with SI as far as I'm concerned. Enough mollycoddling. If he wants to play then he has to make himself available. Nobody should have to go to him cap in hand every time we've a game.
    Have to say I totally agree. I have never been in the "lets burn Ireland at the stake" camp but in fairness he made a decision and he has to make the decision to come back. What Givens said was totally right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billsthoughts View Post
    "lets burn Ireland at the stake" .
    Good Idea Billy, lets burn Ireland at the stake!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar View Post
    Did you hoop and holler when Kerr got the job by any chance?
    Eh!? You've lost me there. I agree that Givens should have to account for himself in his apparent job-for-life with the U21s. I also agree on his stance (if slightly misguided) here. That is all.
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    If we weren't playing Brazil would he be interested in a February Friendly? Watch how many of our players pull out of this glamour fixture compared to the Welsh game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar View Post
    Givens the straight talker! Did you hoop and holler when Kerr got the job by any chance?
    I think he's asking are you a journo? I'm not sure though
    In fairness Noely whilst i didn't hoop or holler, I was proud as punch that someone like Kerr was given the opportunity to manage the Senior team, for two reasons. He never had to go abroad to get the opportunity and secondly he's done a lot for the game here and is the only successful manager this country has had on an international level.
    that gets discarded too often these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakermaker1982 View Post
    If we weren't playing Brazil would he be interested in a February Friendly?
    Are people actually of the opinion that Ireland wanted to be considered for this game? That's seems to be the bit where I'm disagreeing with people about Givens comments.

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    Aww the poor little chav is unhappy, my heart bleeds for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by eirebhoy View Post
    Givens was a silly with his comments yesterday.


    “An awful lot of people would give their right arm to pull on that green shirt. He doesn’t want to.”

    "I am not going to drive up to Manchester to be humiliated by someone like that."

    "I want commitment from the other side."

    “This Association bent over backward for him, the previous manager [Stephen Staunton] flew to Manchester to talk to him, and he turned it down.”


    All that's doing is annoying Ireland and he may feel it's not worth it.
    Screw that, this attitude reminds me of the kind of guys who pussyfoot around women that have broken up with them and keep calling them begging for some pity sex, have some self respect dammit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom View Post
    I think he's asking are you a journo?
    Me? But sure I can barely string a sentence together... <open goal>

    NG, I was agreeing with your post, but just abbreviated it for the sake of the thread.
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    If someone wants to try and put my point across for me please do as I'm struggling. I'm talking about the need for Givens to say what he did. There was no need. As I've said a few times now, it's as if Ireland made it known that he wanted to be considered.

    Quote Originally Posted by Morbo View Post
    Screw that, this attitude reminds me of the kind of guys who pussyfoot around women that have broken up with them and keep calling them begging for some pity sex, have some self respect dammit
    I certainly don't think Ireland should have got a call up without making a phone call. He has asked not to be considered in the near future and so be it.

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    Just thinking a little more on it. The "not suffering any fools" attitude displayed by Givens actually creates space the incumbent manager to appear more magnanimous and flexible in his dealings with SI. In that regard it is a display of tactical nous for which Don is not otherwise renowned.

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    I agree with what givens did,,,he is dead right, who does Ireland think he is? He should be grovelling, im suprised Dunne hasnt been chatting to him bout it at city!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eirebhoy View Post
    If someone wants to try and put my point across for me please do as I'm struggling.
    I agree with Givens' sentiment, but yes, perhaps it was going too far from someone who is only keeping the seat warm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billsthoughts View Post
    I have never been in the "lets burn Ireland at the stake" camp
    So where can I sign up for this "lets burn Ireland at the stake" camp? sounds like a laff

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    Quote Originally Posted by noby View Post
    Me? But sure I can barely string a sentence together... <open goal>

    NG, I was agreeing with your post, but just abbreviated it for the sake of the thread.
    Apologies Noby. I have a Russian 40 piece percussion orchestra playing in my head sponsored by Guinness.

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    No worries; just confused me a little. I'd hate to become known as a Givens sympathiser.
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    Did everyone of the players in the squad phone Givens up to declare their intention to be included? I don't think so. So why should Ireland? This is like a schoolyard spat. " I'm not apologising, he started it" type of crap.
    There has to be a middle ground. I don't want to molly-coddle Ireland but lets face it he's one of our better players at the moment.
    And besides the new manager should have been in place by now and maybe none of this would be an issue.
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    SI was the only one who declared that he didn't want to be selected, that he wasn't ready yet so yeah I think its fair to expect him to make the first call

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis The Red View Post
    Did everyone of the players in the squad phone Givens up to declare their intention to be included? I don't think so. So why should Ireland?
    Because he asked not to be included.

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