Stephen Ireland

**Manc Irish Wolf** · 21/04/2008, 12:01 PM

Don't give a monkeys how mad or spoilt he is. The Kid is potentially the most gifted player in our whole set up - so has to play. The closest thing I've seen to Paul Scholes for years - his ability to thread a weighted pass between defenders is sublime and he was completely running the game yesterday. Great to see him thrive playing just off the striker - fits straight into Trap's 4-3-3 style playing off Doyle.

**mypost** · 21/04/2008, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Manc Irish Wolf

The Kid is potentially the most gifted player in our whole set up - so has to play. The closest thing I've seen to Paul Scholes for years.

The bloke is an average player, and a traitor to his country. He should be looking forward to meeting up with our squad in a month, not demanding meetings with his brand new boss, over whether he might be bothered to turn up from time to time.

**Morbo** · 21/04/2008, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Manc Irish Wolf

Don't give a monkeys how mad or spoilt he is. The Kid is potentially the most gifted player in our whole set up.

A players attitude should definitely be a factor in deciding whether a player plays or not, Wenger correctly offloaded Henry when he recognised than Henrys whinging has hurting the team. A player with S.Irelands attitude would have to be very talented to compensate for the detrimental effect his attitude will have on the team overall and I don't think he is that good

**superfrank** · 26/04/2008, 7:38 PM

Anyone see his goal today?

Ireland need a player who can do that out of nowhere. Ireland should do their best to get him in the team.

**stojkovic** · 26/04/2008, 8:26 PM

It's simple. Name him in the squad. If he doesnt turn up, f**k him.

**mypost** · 27/04/2008, 5:21 AM

Originally Posted by superfrank

Anyone see his goal today?

A wickedly deflected goal against Fulham, who could have managed that?

**bellavistaman** · 27/04/2008, 8:38 AM

there was no deflection there. Will people just either shut up repeating themselves woth the same stupid gags and smart comments or give the lad the credit he deserves.

**bellavistaman** · 27/04/2008, 8:39 AM

Originally Posted by mypost

The bloke is an average player, :

average player my arse, average players dont score the goals he scored today, his vision all game long his pass to vassell was second to none, hiom and andy reid on form playing in robbie, we wont go far wrong.

**Razors left peg** · 27/04/2008, 8:42 AM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

average player my arse, average players dont score the goals he scored today, his vision all game long his pass to vassell was second to none, hiom and andy reid on form playing in robbie, we wont go far wrong.

Well said

**carloz** · 27/04/2008, 9:12 AM

Took off before 60 minutes though. Fantastic goal but to be took off that early he must have been playin poor. However Fulham ran riot after he was took off.

**Saint07** · 27/04/2008, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by carloz

Took off before 60 minutes though. Fantastic goal but to be took off that early he must have been playin poor. However Fulham ran riot after he was took off.

only plays 60 mins every week! dont know why that is cause he's been one of their better players esp yesterday. watched football first on sky with extended highlights and he was making some great runs and involved in everything looked very good!

**shakermaker1982** · 27/04/2008, 11:02 AM

Great goal. Played some lovely through balls through as well.

Sven is under a bit of pressure.....

**mypost** · 27/04/2008, 3:47 PM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

give the lad the credit he deserves.

He gives us nothing, we give him nothing, that's how it works.

**Razors left peg** · 27/04/2008, 4:21 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

He gives us nothing, we give him nothing, that's how it works.

He gave us 3 goals in 4 games in the last campaign

**bohsRap** · 27/04/2008, 4:44 PM

Originally Posted by mypost

He gives us nothing, we give him nothing, that's how it works.

In what respect does he "give us nothing"?

**jmurphyc** · 27/04/2008, 7:47 PM

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

He gave us 3 goals in 4 games in the last campaign

It was 4 goals in 5 appearances (in 6 if you're including friendlies), but this statistic masks the fact that he has so far been relatively mediocre for us so far. He's going to have to step it up if he wants to get a place in the first 11, provided he comes back. He has a lot of potential but he is still far from fulfilling it IMO.

**Razors left peg** · 27/04/2008, 9:10 PM

Originally Posted by jmurphyc

It was 4 goals in 5 appearances (in 6 if you're including friendlies), but this statistic masks the fact that he has so far been relatively mediocre for us so far. He's going to have to step it up if he wants to get a place in the first 11, provided he comes back. He has a lot of potential but he is still far from fulfilling it IMO.

I agree with what u are saying, his overall performances havent been great for us but in my opinion he has the potential to be a serious top class player.He is a difficult character to deal with but a good manager can deal with that, Stan wasnt up to it I think.A good example is Cantona, he was a nightmare for a manager to deal with but Ferguson managed it and got the rewards(and before anyone jumps on it Im not saying hes as good as Cantona Im just using the example).
We dont have many players of his age with the potential that he has so I think its worth Trapattoni making the extra effort to get him back into the squad.He probably isnt worth a starting place in every game at the moment but in a year or 2 I think he will be

**carloz** · 27/04/2008, 9:50 PM

Maybe its just me, but i feel if we can get Ireland and Reid in the same team plaing just behind Keane, then we would have a bit of creativity that we have been crying out for in recent years. Would put added pressure on our defensive midfielder be it Carsely or S. Reid though

**bellavistaman** · 27/04/2008, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by carloz

Maybe its just me, but i feel if we can get Ireland and Reid in the same team plaing just behind Keane, then we would have a bit of creativity that we have been crying out for in recent years. Would put added pressure on our defensive midfielder be it Carsely or S. Reid though

ya i said it earlier, one holding player, carsely or s reid, and let the two lads attack, would be class

**HomeBrewPlease** · 27/04/2008, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by carloz

Took off before 60 minutes though. Fantastic goal but to be took off that early he must have been playin poor. However Fulham ran riot after he was took off.

Was at the game yesterday. He was class, ran the show in midfield. You are right in the last part though - City fell apart once he was taken off