Stephen Ireland

**kingdomkerry** · 27/07/2009, 3:29 PM

Dont get your hopes up for the squad on Wednesday. Mr Manchester will leave his country down again like he has done countless times in the past.

**Manblue** · 27/07/2009, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

I'm surprised you can see the keyboard, it must be so dark up there??

haha nice, i liked that, oh and to kerrykingdoms comment about waiting til wednesday, dont bother waiting cause he wont be back.

**youngirish** · 27/07/2009, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Manblue

haha nice, i liked that, oh and to kerrykingdoms comment about waiting til wednesday, dont bother waiting cause he wont be back.

Again more proof that Manblue is Stephen Ireland if anymore was needed. Such a waste of talent.

**irishfan86** · 27/07/2009, 11:10 PM

It just seems a pity that one of Europe's top players seems to have no interest in playing in the World's greatest competition.

I pity Stephen Ireland more than I hate him.

If we qualify, I sincerely believe he will regret his decision not to come back when he's watching on TV with friends/family.

**geysir** · 27/07/2009, 11:13 PM

There is a greater chance of Elvis rising out of the river Laune to jockey King Puck down through the streets of Killorglin

**Manblue** · 27/07/2009, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

Again more proof that Manblue is Stephen Ireland if anymore was needed. Such a waste of talent.

This a joke at this stage, geysir has just said something similar to what i said that he wont be back, why isnt he S.I

**Crosby87** · 27/07/2009, 11:20 PM

Just funny how bad Andy Reid wants in, and SI could be in and doesnt want it...Andy should get a Stephen Ireland mask from a Halloween store and try to come back that way:

Trap: Uhh, Marco...Steva Irela seema different somahow....He seema shorter and less daft butta not bya much...
Tardelli: Agree. Maybe Hea lost weight?
Trap: No..He stilla fatta. But hea no pass crisp. Hea more funny though.
Liam Brady: Something is a miss here. Its almost like its Andy Reid in a Stephen Ireland mask...But that cant be.
Trap: Who?
Brady: That Andy Reid guy you got mad at for staying out so late.
Trap: Thisa Irish,,day very confuse...I dont know why I leava Belgium.
Brady: Holland you mean.
Tardelli: Lets finish dis discussion ova luncha. I make da meatballs you like Liam, witha the veal.

**eirebhoy** · 27/07/2009, 11:52 PM

Manblue while I doubt very much you're Stephen himself you're obviously a City supporter judging by your username and a Cobh man judging by your posts. You also have a lot of inside knowledge on Stephen. You know who are and aren't his friends, you know whether Richard Dunne has spoken to him about Ireland, you know his specific premiership stats that wouldn't really be available to the public, plus you know mostly about the players in S.Ireland's age group, etc, etc.

So what in the name of jaysus is the story? When is he going to come back?

**youngirish** · 28/07/2009, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by Manblue

This a joke at this stage, geysir has just said something similar to what i said that he wont be back, why isnt he S.I

Manblue surely if you're not the man himself you would have long since realised that you're trying to defend the indefensible. A professional footballer who treats his country with the disregard that Ireland does when so many (not myself mind you) have been desperate for him to come back and forgive him for past sins is sickening tbh.

This compared to the likes of McGeady and McCarthy who have steadfastly stuck with Ireland, a country they weren't born in, and endured years of sectarian abuse for doing so even though in McGeady's case he's probably never going to recieve the accolades playing for Ireland that Superman would.

A player's career is short and if Ireland do qualify for the World Cup and Stevie leaves it too late to end his exile he could well miss his only chance at playing at the top level in the prime of his career (he'll be almost 24 when the World Cup comes around) and simply be consigned to that long list of talented mid table Premiership/First Division footballers that never played on the world stage and nobody remembers 20 years down the line.

**Thommo** · 28/07/2009, 7:38 AM

It's a difficult one not sure how some of the players will react if he was to return at this stage if he is to return it should be a friendly get all the media stuff out of the way cos it's gonna be a circus if he does come back for his first game.
At the end of the day beggars can't be choosers our midfield is weak but if your gonna come back "bungalow" please come back with your football head on.
Can't see it myself but where there's a will there's a way.

**Den Perry** · 28/07/2009, 9:03 AM

Originally Posted by Manblue

haha nice, i liked that, oh and to kerrykingdoms comment about waiting til wednesday, dont bother waiting cause he wont be back.

I think Ireland is a fantastic player, and would love to see him back. I can understand that if he hates certain players in the squad, he would be reluctant to return (if that is the reason) and wish that muppet Stephen Hunt would shut his mouth(as I 've stated many times before).However, S.I. himself is no angel and really should play for us.

Now, I havn't got the time to look back all your posts Manblue, but do you wish to see him back in the squad, as your post above gives the impression of sneering that he won't be back. If you would rather he stayed away, what would your reasons be?

**shaneker** · 28/07/2009, 9:45 AM

It's been said before, but it needs to be true now. No more waiting around, second guessing every development the team makes. Either Ireland comes back for the FRIENDLY (Christ, even Roy did that) in Thomond or he is 100% out of consideration for the WC if we qualify. Which we will. A statement should be made by the FAI after the game that he won't be considered until after this coming season is over. Bam - speculation gone for a year.

Personally, I hope he doesn't come back. Rhymes with dastard.

**geysir** · 28/07/2009, 10:01 AM

On a hypothetical return,
i'd be more concerned with the many fans with their heads in the sick bucket, overwhelmed by the odour from the initial media focus.

Too much imagination is used up on players possible reactions or possible discontent.
The squad is battle scarred and strong enough to handle (hypothetically) the mere detail of a return of SI. After over a year with Trap and Tardelli, they also have enough assuredness.

It is Stephen Ireland who can not handle it and who is discontent with any thought of coming back.
Trap has stretched the limits of diplomacy in this case. We know Trap has the cojones to close the door until our 2010 WC is over.
That suggests to me that he does see a place for SI in the team, or at a minimum, a valuable role to play.

**Wolfie** · 28/07/2009, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

I'd be more concerned with the many fans with their heads in the sick bucket, overwhelmed by the odour from the initial media focus.

Too much imagination is used up on players possible reactions or possible discontent.
The squad is battle scarred and strong enough to handle (hypothetically) the mere detail of a return of SI. After over a year with Trap and Tardelli, they also have enough assuredness.

It is Stephen Ireland who can not handle it and who is discontent with any thought of coming back.
Trap has stretched the limits of diplomacy in this case. We know Trap has the cojones to close the door until our 2010 WC is over.
That suggests to me that he does see a place for SI in the team, or at a minimum, a valuable role to play.

Originally Posted by geysir

On a hypothetical return,
i'd be more concerned with the many fans with their heads in the sick bucket, overwhelmed by the odour from the initial media focus.

Too much imagination is used up on players possible reactions or possible discontent.
The squad is battle scarred and strong enough to handle (hypothetically) the mere detail of a return of SI. After over a year with Trap and Tardelli, they also have enough assuredness.

It is Stephen Ireland who can not handle it and who is discontent with any thought of coming back.
Trap has stretched the limits of diplomacy in this case. We know Trap has the cojones to close the door until our 2010 WC is over.
That suggests to me that he does see a place for SI in the team, or at a minimum, a valuable role to play.

You can say that again.

**Razors left peg** · 28/07/2009, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

You can say that again.

quality

**dr_peepee** · 28/07/2009, 1:03 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Manblue while I doubt very much you're Stephen himself you're obviously a City supporter judging by your username and a Cobh man judging by your posts. You also have a lot of inside knowledge on Stephen. You know who are and aren't his friends, you know whether Richard Dunne has spoken to him about Ireland, you know his specific premiership stats that wouldn't really be available to the public, plus you know mostly about the players in S.Ireland's age group, etc, etc.

So what in the name of jaysus is the story? When is he going to come back?

He's his Brother.... But he's the one that lost the phone with the mucky Pictures so Stephen's blanked him for a bit!!!

**ifk101** · 28/07/2009, 1:38 PM

It's tiresome that this issue won't go away. Realistically do any of you believe that Trapattoni would play Ireland if he came back? What he says in the media is one thing, but what he does behind the scenes is another. By playing Ireland he risks weakening his authority over the team and the trust of the players that have played in the games so far. It would be the coaching equivalent of committing suicide, especially when there's only 3 qualifying games left to play.

**Razors left peg** · 28/07/2009, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

It's tiresome that this issue won't go away. Realistically do any of you believe that Trapattoni would play Ireland if he came back? What he says in the media is one thing, but what he does behind the scenes is another. By playing Ireland he risks weakening his authority over the team and the trust of the players that have played in the games so far. It would be the coaching equivalent of committing suicide, especially when there's only 3 qualifying games left to play.

Thats rubbish, if for example James McCarthy or Owen Garvan had an outstanding seasons should Trap leave them out of the squads just because they hadnt been involved up to now.The players in the squad are professionals and it is up to them to fight for their place in the team no matter who is brought into the squad and if they are not good enough too keep their place then we move on with better players.Yes loyalty is important but only up to a certain point.
Having said that I do think that in Irelands case if he is not involved in the upcoming friendly then a line should be drawn under it until after the world cup

**ifk101** · 28/07/2009, 4:59 PM

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Thats rubbish, if for example James McCarthy or Owen Garvan had an outstanding seasons should Trap leave them out of the squads just because they hadnt been involved up to now.

Garvan and McCarthy haven't made themselves, their grannies, or their wigs unavailable. Totally different from the case with Ireland.

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

The players in the squad are professionals and it is up to them to fight for their place in the team no matter who is brought into the squad and if they are not good enough too keep their place then we move on with better players.Yes loyalty is important but only up to a certain point.

The emphasis is on the word professional. Nobody is allowed to pick and chose which games they want to be a part of. It's all about respect, commitment and loyalty, qualities which Stephen Ireland has not shown our team. As far as I'm concerned I don't think he should ever be capped again (but unfortunately I don't get to pick the team

.)

**Razors left peg** · 28/07/2009, 5:06 PM

Originally Posted by ifk101

Garvan and McCarthy haven't made themselves, their grannies, or their wigs unavailable. Totally different from the case with Ireland.

The emphasis is on the word professional. Nobody is allowed to pick and chose which games they want to be a part of. It's all about respect, commitment and loyalty, qualities which Stephen Ireland has not shown our team. As far as I'm concerned I don't think he should ever be capped again (but unfortunately I don't get to pick the team

.)

Lee Carsley, Dean Kiely,Roy Keane made themselves unavailible for selection at one time or other.... was their a mass walkout of players or a sudden dramatic dip in squad morale when they were brought back in?