Finnan unhappy with 'impatient' Irish

**citizenerased** · 23/01/2008, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by shanman2

Here here Jebus. Your so right on this one. We are at a point now in Irish soccer where we the fans need to have a good look at ourselves. We have not got the players anymore simple as that. Our national league is ranked among the lowest in Europe as is our population where for years we have punched above our weight at all sports. Lads get behind the team suppport and the next manager whoever he may be. Most of all leave the players alone. Thread softly for you thread on my dreams.

Talkin ****e mate.. we dont have the players...so Poland, Greece, Sweden have better players than us? do they? it doesnt matter that our domestic league is poor, as none of our international players come from that league.

I think fans have a right to criticise,,the performance more so than the results is the bottom line...if we had failed to qualify in the manner that scotland did, there would be no complaints..but we didnt we were humiliated twice by cyprus, once against san marino.

when your taking a week off work and paying big money in febuary to go to san marino to support the irish team...that is unacceptable...We have every right to have high expectations..we have a good squad..

**superfrank** · 23/01/2008, 12:18 PM

Finnan's right. The media are piling the pressure on the lads these days and unfairly imo. I think some of this stems from Irish fans expectations, after all these journos are Ireland fans too and they'll have their own expectations which will influence their writing style.

But imo the "regular" fans do have high expectations. I believe Noelys Guitar came up with a "realisitic" projected points total for the WC qualifying group which in fairness was very kind. The most people on here seem to expect Ireland to finish second, despite them being third seeds for the last two qualifying campaigns, meaning the team was going downhill BEFORE Staunton took over.

**Metrostars** · 23/01/2008, 12:19 PM

I blame the so called Celtic Tiger myself, whoever he is. Ireland has now become accustomed to having whatever you want, right now. A lot of fans(not all) and a lot of people in the media are that way about our team, expecting them to play at their best 100% of the time. When things don't go their way, they cry like a big baby and abuse those involved.

It wasnt that way 20 or 30 years ago. Even though we didnt qualify for much, people had more respect and didnt hound out the people involved at a whim.

**Hibernian** · 23/01/2008, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Torn-Ado

ARRGGGHHH!!!

Unrealistic Expectations!!! Negativity!!!

We got ridden sideways by Cyprus! We nearly lost to them at home! We could barely beat San Marino! We couldn't hold out for a minute against Slovakia. We were out of the competition with three games to go.

What in the name of Lord Jesus Christ do these overpaid, overrated w**kbags want us us to expect of them?

Jesus wept

100000000000000000% agree

**jebus** · 23/01/2008, 12:24 PM

One man's WUM is another man's sense talking....guy. Anyway I didn't realise posting on this thread, and the other one on Steve Finnan makes me a constant WUM in the Irish section. Heaven knows what you would have thought of me back in the days I was allowed on the Galway forum

Anyway Irish fans don't pay Finnan's wages so Finnan doesn't owe Irish fans a thing. If he feels the weather is slightly colder in Dublin than it is in Liverpool, if he feels the media is too harsh, if he dislikes the snot nosed kid who sits behind one of the goals each game and decides to retire for any of these reasons then it is his choice.

**Kingdom** · 23/01/2008, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by citizenerased

when your taking a week off work and paying big money in febuary to go to san marino to support the irish team...that is unacceptable...We have every right to have high expectations..we have a good squad..

This is the crux of the problem. If I was going to away games to be entertained, I wouldn't go. Also you don't need to take a week off work to support the team against Andorra. Quite a lot of people fly in and out in a day.
Thats not to say the fans should appluad atrociousness, but this shyte of I've paid my money, you better entertain me is nonsense.

**OneRedArmy** · 23/01/2008, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

Anyway Irish fans don't pay Finnan's wages so Finnan doesn't owe Irish fans a thing. If he feels the weather is slightly colder in Dublin than it is in Liverpool, if he feels the media is too harsh, if he dislikes the snot nosed kid who sits behind one of the goals each game and decides to retire for any of these reasons then it is his choice.

Absolutely correct but the flip side of this coin is that he will be judged on the basis of this decision.

And thats exactly what you are complaining about....

**jmurphyc** · 23/01/2008, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

This is the crux of the problem. If I was going to away games to be entertained, I wouldn't go. Also you don't need to take a week off work to support the team against Andorra. Quite a lot of people fly in and out in a day.
Thats not to say the fans should appluad atrociousness, but this shyte of I've paid my money, you better entertain me is nonsense.

When people are paying a lot of money they deserve a return on their money spent. When I have gone to games I don't necessarily expect to be entertained, as I know we're not Brazil, but I do expect competency combined with effort and this campaign certainly lacked the former, and often the latter. I don't think this is nonsense.

**Kingdom** · 23/01/2008, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by jmurphyc

When people are paying a lot of money they deserve a return on their money spent. When I have gone to games I don't necessarily expect to be entertained, as I know we're not Brazil, but I do expect competency combined with effort and this campaign certainly lacked the former, and often the latter. I don't think this is nonsense.

I go to games because I love watching football and I love watching my country. Half the purpose of the away trips, are to enjoy the local country, the other half is to watch Ireland. Regardless of how well they do, its a talking point till the next away trip, or stories to rattle off in my winter years, thats my return from going to the matches.

**citizenerased** · 23/01/2008, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

This is the crux of the problem. If I was going to away games to be entertained, I wouldn't go. Also you don't need to take a week off work to support the team against Andorra. Quite a lot of people fly in and out in a day.
Thats not to say the fans should appluad atrociousness, but this shyte of I've paid my money, you better entertain me is nonsense.

did i mention entertain? no dont think i did...i said support...if you cant distinguish the difference then thats your ignorance!! God fobid I expected a solid performance against one of the worst internationl teams in the world..if that is the crux of the problem in respect to high expectations, we have some serious problems ahead so.

On another point, some of us can fly 'in and out' as we cannot afford it, so we have to go round about ways using our compatriots' Michael O'Learys destination points...

**citizenerased** · 23/01/2008, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

I go to games because I love watching football and I love watching my country. Half the purpose of the away trips, are to enjoy the local country, the other half is to watch Ireland. Regardless of how well they do, its a talking point till the next away trip, or stories to rattle off in my winter years, thats my return from going to the matches.

I think you will find that this is the crux of the problem to many leprechauns too busy dressing up as st patrick and gettin sauced up to even care about the team...
'Sure lads, arnt we only paddies sure what business have we at the world cup at all at all,,,get the drinks in Finbarr and lets do the riverdance, becasue us irish are great craic'

**shanman2** · 23/01/2008, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by citizenerased

Point 1= Talkin ****e mate.. we dont have the players...so Poland, Greece, Sweden have better players than us? do they? it doesnt matter that our domestic league is poor, as none of our international players come from that league.

Point 2= I think fans have a right to criticise,,the performance more so than the results is the bottom line...if we had failed to qualify in the manner that scotland did, there would be no complaints..but we didnt we were humiliated twice by cyprus, once against san marino.

Point 3= when your taking a week off work and paying big money in febuary to go to san marino to support the irish team...that is unacceptable...We have every right to have high expectations..we have a good squad..

Point 1= Poland, Greece and Sweden all have teams who compete regularly in the champions league So yes they do they have strength in depth in the most important point here, a much bigger selection pool.

Point 2= Ya grand you deserve your say we all do as fans. Did we have the manager and players Scotland had -NO. Pro footballers know they have played muck they don't need the fans to turn on them and abuse them your no better than those English yobos. Supporters stand by their team in their hour of need. If your not happy don't go.

Point 3= Someone payed for the performances namely Stephen Staunton. By god did pay dearly publically humiliated and broken down as a man. We have a good 15 players thats all. If we have a few injuries we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. The Irish team need your support not your abuse.

**jmurphyc** · 23/01/2008, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

I go to games because I love watching football and I love watching my country. Half the purpose of the away trips, are to enjoy the local country, the other half is to watch Ireland. Regardless of how well they do, its a talking point till the next away trip, or stories to rattle off in my winter years, thats my return from going to the matches.

I agree. The match is only half the entertainment on away trips, but the reason I go is because of the games and therefore I want a competent set up coupled with effort. Results or entertainment don't necessarily have to follow but if we aren't doing as well as we are capable of then it will depress me.

**jmurphyc** · 23/01/2008, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by shanman2

The Irish team need your support not your abuse.

But he didn't mention anything about abuse in his post. You seem to make out as though we were being unreasonable during the last campaign. Were the crowd just supposed to sit back and let Staunton stay in charge for another two years when we have every right to expect better.

**Torn-Ado** · 23/01/2008, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by shanman2

Point 1= Poland, Greece and Sweden all have teams who compete regularly in the champions league So yes they do they have strength in depth in the most important point here, a much bigger selection pool.

Eh?

Greece yes, as for the other two, No.

**NeilMcD** · 23/01/2008, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

One man's WUM is another man's sense talking....guy. Anyway I didn't realise posting on this thread, and the other one on Steve Finnan makes me a constant WUM in the Irish section. Heaven knows what you would have thought of me back in the days I was allowed on the Galway forum

Anyway Irish fans don't pay Finnan's wages so Finnan doesn't owe Irish fans a thing. If he feels the weather is slightly colder in Dublin than it is in Liverpool, if he feels the media is too harsh, if he dislikes the snot nosed kid who sits behind one of the goals each game and decides to retire for any of these reasons then it is his choice.

Yeah and its our choice to slag him for it.

**gustavo** · 23/01/2008, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Torn-Ado

We got ridden sideways by Cyprus! We nearly lost to them at home! We could barely beat San Marino! We couldn't hold out for a minute against Slovakia. We were out of the competition with three games to go.

What in the name of Lord Jesus Christ do these overpaid, overrated w**kbags want us us to expect of them?

Jesus wept

Why should we expect to beat Slovakia?

**jebus** · 23/01/2008, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by shanman2

Point 1= Poland, Greece and Sweden all have teams who compete regularly in the champions league So yes they do they have strength in depth in the most important point here, a much bigger selection pool.

Point 2= Ya grand you deserve your say we all do as fans. Did we have the manager and players Scotland had -NO. Pro footballers know they have played muck they don't need the fans to turn on them and abuse them your no better than those English yobos. Supporters stand by their team in their hour of need. If your not happy don't go.

Point 3= Someone payed for the performances namely Stephen Staunton. By god did pay dearly publically humiliated and broken down as a man. We have a good 15 players thats all. If we have a few injuries we are up the proverbial creek without a paddle. The Irish team need your support not your abuse.

In A Nutshell time people

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Yeah and its our choice to slag him for it.

Then it's my choice to call you a whingbag, see how that works. Plus people saying 'he's a ****ing national disgrace *white noise*' are gone beyond slagging

**shanman2** · 23/01/2008, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by jmurphyc

But he didn't mention anything about abuse in his post. You seem to make out as though we were being unreasonable during the last campaign. Were the crowd just supposed to sit back and let Staunton stay in charge for another two years when we have every right to expect better.

You obviously switched off your tv after the game!!! Cause I remember more than a few fans roaring abuse at them.

**Beavis** · 23/01/2008, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by Metrostars

I blame the so called Celtic Tiger myself, whoever he is. Ireland has now become accustomed to having whatever you want, right now. A lot of fans(not all) and a lot of people in the media are that way about our team, expecting them to play at their best 100% of the time. When things don't go their way, they cry like a big baby and abuse those involved.

It wasnt that way 20 or 30 years ago. Even though we didnt qualify for much, people had more respect and didnt hound out the people involved at a whim.

I agree totally, the Celtic Tiger has really changed the people here.