Sentencing in Irish Courts Discussion

[Block G Raptor]

voluntary manslaughter is when he intended to kill the victim but it was not pre-meditated. usually in a heat of the moment situation

No Intending to kill someone whether premeditated for a month or a second is murder.
the definition of voluntary manslaughter is more like intending to harm someone (Ie giving someone a good kicking) and the victim dying as a direct result

involuntary manslaughter is more like what happened with WOD and young robert, an act that was not intended to cause harm which unfortunately ended in death

[inexile]

no im afraid your wrong bgr, look a the nally case he admitted he shot to kill ward but that he only did so because he was out of his mind with worry and fear

[Block G Raptor]

no im afraid your wrong bgr, look a the nally case he admitted he shot to kill ward but that he only did so because he was out of his mind with worry and fear

Extenuating Circumstances / self defense ? not the same as killing someone in a fit of rage ie

usually in a heat of the moment situation

[inexile]

and all 3 could come under the same heading

[Block G Raptor]

and all 3 could come under the same heading

I don't think so. Self Defense ie believing your life to be in danger and finding your missus in bed with some bloke and beating them to death in a temper are hardly the same thing, neither is pre-meditated, one is excusable one is not

[inexile]

ya and believe it or not both of these could be used to used as a defence for diminished responsibilty.

anyway there is no charge for either voluntary or involuntary manslaughter, its either murder or manslaughter and its then up to the judge to decide what type of manslaughter it is and this only comes up when the judge is passing sentence