The "franglais" humour that upset you so much, was to demonstrate how stupid it is that a foreign head of state would demand referendums here, after one has being held. Because, when you examine his statement, that's effectively what he said.Originally Posted by GavinZac
My mistake.
We've had the opportunity to give our opinion, and have done so. For the sake of democracy, it's very important that we uphold the outcome of refs in our and other countries, and protect those citizens in Europe who were prevented from having them at all.
There is no "getting around" the result. The treaty requires a referendum here, any attempt to ratify it through parliament without a Yes vote in a referendum would be illegal, be subject to a tonne of legal challenges, lead to anarchy, and a guaranteed election defeat. The treaty is therefore aborted. When those in power accept that reality, we can relax knowing the Nice Treaty remains in operation in the EU.
Last edited by mypost; 29/07/2008 at 1:44 AM.
Hugely amused that the No camp (and Mypost) are referring to a blatantly partisan British commissioned poll to support their point.
Interestingly your purile and infantile anti-French "humour" is also beloved of the English.
I thought we'd become more European in the last 30 years and finally broken the dependency link with the UK but clearly old habits die hard in some areas.
If you wish to discuss Sarkozy there is already a separate thread about him.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/le...d-1442581.html
Fortunately sir, you cannot overlook the simple fact:
"In legal terms, all member states are equal on the council."
It's the legal position, not the population size, that counts.
Last edited by mypost; 29/07/2008 at 4:17 PM.
Todays Irish Times says it all for me
That will be a nice blanket to cling to when were sitting on the outside of a two speed Europe (with the Brits).
"I told you we were right".....
What "two-speed Europe"? The Brits ratified it a couple of weeks back. Any benefits for them??That will be a nice blanket to cling to when were sitting on the outside of a two speed Europe (with the Brits).
No.
Schengen and EMU are the first two examples.What "two-speed Europe"? The Brits ratified it a couple of weeks back. Any benefits for them??
Also the British position is very different. They (as a nation) at least are honest about their Euro-skepticism. Lisbon is an irrelevance for them as Labour will be slung out on their ear and the Tory's will start rolling back the UK's commitment to Europe. With us as their lapdogs given whats gone on over the last few months.
If you want, the use of the Euro is another example. But for all the doomsday scenarios of "two-speed Europe", it hasn't affected the lives of citizens. So citing those as examples of "two-speed Europe" are far-fetched.
You can't unify this continent. The people, cultures, languages, and the politics/policies of the sovereign states are so different and diverse, that what's good for one country, is not automatically good for others, and so a one size fits all political policy, is simply not going to work in Europe.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...368580622.htmlFIANNA FÁIL spent less than a quarter of what Fine Gael spent on commercial advertising in the Lisbon Treaty campaign, figures obtained by The Irish Times indicate.
Libertas, the anti-treaty entity run by businessman Declan Ganley, spent more on commercial advertisements than all the political parties put together, according to the figures.
And Cowen was surprised that they couldn't get the vote out! FF obviously took their eye of the ball completely, and took a Yes vote for granted. Never mind all the finger pointing at apparent lies from the No side, maybe the Cowen should be looking in a mirror..
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
Hardly surprising they assumed people would vote for them no matter what given the result of the last general election though is it
Those figures only relate to official advertising so doe snot include leaflets & posters so could be misleading.
While at least 40% of the electorate are obviously a bit dim, but even I wouldn't under estimate how effective FF campaigns are, when they bother to put their backs into it.
Yeah, so said Micky Martin on Morning Ireland - of course they spent much more on leaflets
If you attack me with stupidity, I'll be forced to defend myself with sarcasm.
The polls had indicated otherwise for the past week, but right up until the first box was opened on the morning of the count, they thought they had it.
These three examples, the euro, the interest rate on your mortgage and not needing your passport to travel have definitely affected the lives of people.
150th thread post:
http://europenews.dk/en/node/12250
Since was not having a referendum denying rights?
"Let's assume there was a referendum". I stopped reading there.
The Model Club
Tell all the Bohs you know
that we've gone and won two-in-a-row
and it's not gonna be three
and it's not gonna be four
it's more likely to be 5-1.
As did the other 26 heads of state"Let's assume there was a referendum". I stopped reading there.
Meanwhile: http://www.herald.ie/opinion/letters...t-1443999.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...40.html?via=mr
Just as well he's a journo, because you wanted want to have him as a lawyer, seem as he doesn't understand this sovereign nation's constitution.
As Charlton asked Dunphy: "You call yourself a proper journalist??"
Dead right, and look what happened to Rod Hull!
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