QuoteThe reason there was a programme last night, was to buy the undecided vote. If you've made your decision, then it was to re-enforce your belief on either side.Originally Posted by pete
Much more debate to come.
That's pretty much how it works. No one's invented a tricorder yet. Your symptoms probably matched 100+ conditions, so they treated you for the most likely one. 70% of the time they're right, 90% of those times the medicine works.
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The reason there was a programme last night, was to buy the undecided vote. If you've made your decision, then it was to re-enforce your belief on either side.
Much more debate to come.
I think the problem for RTE & other media organisations is the difficulty in finding sane people that they can allow on the airwaves for the No side. SF have elected TDs so they get included. Libertas are shaddy lot but I think the fact they are providing people for debates is why they get on radio and tv. RTE couldn't allow Coir nutters on tv. Some of the socialist groups possibly don't have the numbers to contribute in the debates?
So c. 63% of the time they cure you?
Does that not seem a bit low?
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This is all off topic but you just have to take it or leave it.
A lot of illnesses don't have miracle cures.
I'd say that 63% of the time they cure you first time around, if not, the doctors will move on to the next likely symptom. Just going on John83's post, that would seem to be the next step.
Anyhow, will the Lisbon Treaty have any effect at all on hospital services?
If the no side is to be believed, accepting the Treaty will open the way for privatisation of the health service.
However, Harney has already approved for public land next to hospitals to be used for private clinics. And there's also the Harney plan which is to be put into effect. Privatisation of the healt sector is already underway and the FF/PD coalition is clearly in favour of the US system of healthcare. All this will continue along whether or not the Treaty is passed.
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Yo te quiero, mi querida. Sin tus besos, yo soy nada.
Abri o portão de ouro, da maquina do tempo.
Mi mamá me hizo guapo, listo y antimadridista.
I agree. Whatever your opinion on this (and I've yet to hear or read anyone who seemed genuinely enthusiastic about it, which seems odd), it's government policy, and nothing to do with the EU.
EDIT: And yes, osaruan has it right. They move on to the next most likely illness and/or run additional tests. It's a distressingly inexact science.
Last edited by John83; 10/06/2008 at 3:02 PM.
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Privatisation of the health service is an issue raised in the Lisbon treaty debate.
In my case the first night i was booked in as public cost 66 euro i got kicked out after 1 night on a trolley when the doc i waited 7 hours for him looked at me and said ill write you a letter. sent me home with all the wrong drugs, drugs that made me worse and drugs that did no good.
After a week of that i booked in as private i was kept in for 3 days had 6 different docs that came up with 3 different things that it could be eventually it sorted itself out with antibiotics and ive to go back in 4 weeks for a test to see what was going on . ( the hospital charged Vivas 570 euro a night as private )
Spot any difference in my two treatments ?
Of course, and I sympathise with what was undoubtedly an unpleasant experience, but what does this have to do with Lisbon?
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Has anybody seen this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7433480.stm
A selection of Irish voters giving their opinions on the Lisbon Treaty.
5 'yes' and 5 'no' voters.
Last edited by osarusan; 10/06/2008 at 3:18 PM.
I just saw a brilliant piece on the Lisbon Treaty on Den TV. On news2day, they had a very simple explanation of the Treaty using a classroom of kids acting it out.
It may sound a bit silly but it was very well done andd might get across to the teens of the country. Pity they can't vote.
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The No campain are saying that a yes vote will open the door for Private hospitals.
As private hospitals will reduce the numbers in public hospitals as the private beds can be used as public beds the care in the public service would also improve.
Ie Good for Ireland.
I follow the reasoning, but not the assumption that Lisbon is either necessary for or conducive to private healthcare.
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The No campaign will have you believe that the EU as a body is anti-socialist, and that voting no to Lisbon is basically voting no to the EU in general. They don't particularly care what is in the treaty, or if they do, they've misread it. They will have you believe that this is a document drawn up by a bunch of CEOs and forced upon us, rather than a treaty signed by every member state by elected representatives from every state including from our own parties. That is where anto is coming from - he just doesnt see privatisation as a bad thing.
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
I'll tell you what, kudos on the name of your blog.
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It refers to the modern world in general and perfectly sums up the media hysteria around the yes campaign!
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All of this has happened before. All of it will happen again.
They see the Treaty as a deception, which is hardly surprising since the chief architect has said exactly that.
My advice, for what its worth, is be a Pro and Proud European, ignore the scaremongering from the supporters of the Treaty and Vote No.
Anybody care to call it? I am a No voter, but I reckon the Yes side will shade it. They have put a lot of effort in since an opinion poll put the No side ahead and they’ve probably done enough to get the support they need.
Last edited by SMorgan; 10/06/2008 at 9:50 PM.
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