Quotehow much did the EU spend for the yes side - re Cox and all the young people "working" for himOriginally Posted by Mr A
UKIP for one spent a lot of money attempting to influence the vote.
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how much did the EU spend for the yes side - re Cox and all the young people "working" for him
The yes side spent twenty times more than the no side.
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The EFD party sent one leaflet to people making them aware of what they were signing away. Which I never got btw, never mind read.
The Yes side had multiple spin-off organisations, multinational corporations, aviation nutters, farmers bodies, sports beaks, the bulk of the national media, European party funding, foreign leaders, and Barroso's "gift" in Limerick. Tonnes of funding and propaganda to influence an apparantly "free and fair" referendum.
And you're concerned about the political party incorporating UKIP making one argument?
Last edited by mypost; 13/10/2009 at 7:17 AM.
No wonder it was carried two to one....
Totally untrue, the ratio was less than 4 to 1:
I make that 2,743,000The cost: what the main groups spent
YES
Fianna Fail €500,000
Fine Gael €300,000
Labour €200,000
Green Party €13,000
Ireland for Europe €500,000
Ryanair just under €500,000
Intel €300,000
We Belong €250,000
Ibec €150,000
Generation Yes €30,000
I make that €768,500NO
Cóir €250,000
UKIP €190,000
Libertas €100,000-€120,000
Sinn Féin €100,000
Socialist Party €55,000-€60,000 No To Lisbon €30,000
People’s Movement €20,000
People Before Profit Alliance
under €10,000
National Platform €3,000
Even if (for the conspiracy types) you include all the independent stuff with Yes it's still under 10 to 1.OTHER
Referendum Commission under €4 million
Department of Foreign Affairs €700,000
European Commission at least €150,000
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...255983109.html
Last edited by Mr A; 13/10/2009 at 8:38 AM. Reason: Forgot link
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Oh, is that all?
Maybe the question should be: why was nobody willing to invest in the No side? Why was it's campaign devoid of credible voices?
As I've said before, the referendum commission came best of the campaign to me- they put the real issues on the table in a clear manner. Most of the rest was just stuff and bluster.
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The answer was money in most cases. You only have to view the budget in your last post of the sides to see the difference in available resources.
Crazy thought I know, but maybe the reason more organisations supported the treaty was because, well, more people supported the treaty.
You appear to be trying to allege that a narrow group of wealthy interests behind the Yes campaign hijacked the whole media space at the expense of a broader-based but poor No side.
I don't think that stands up at all. The No support was not broad-based at all. It consisted almost exclusively of marginal outliers with limited broad-based support. How many members do Coir, Libertas, Sinn Fein, Eirigi etc. have?
Compare that with how many members the trade unions, farmers union, mainstream political parties have.
Sorry Mypost, you're going to have to try a bit harder.
Trade union members didn't actually have a say in the position of their leadership.
Maybe the question you should be asking is who were the credible voices on the yes side?
Last edited by dahamsta; 13/10/2009 at 6:13 PM.
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Garrett Fitzgerald for a start.
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Neither did the parties aligned with the No side AFAIK.
Fairly weak argument tbh, if it was true that the leadership went against the wishes of their members, surely they would never get elected again?
Ha! Welcome to earth. You'll find we do things differently here.
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Roffle. You've exposed yourself there Mr A.
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I'll phrase my question slightly differently.
Is the only the pro-Treaty bodies that eschewed democracy and went against the will of their members?
Jesus
Again, lets be hearing your reasoning there?
From reading his weekly column he stands out as a very serious and credible thinker on political and economic matters.
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All the political parties support Treaties, bar Sinn Fein. It's not because they think it's good for their constituents, but because it's good for themselves. Same goes for the firms and CEOs that make their case, it's nothing to do with how many citizens support it.
Cox, referred to the No side as "Irish Ayatollahs" in one of his rallies. So what flag do his supporters wave when they win?
The Irish one.
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